You haven't proven up anything.. I like how you try to insult me when you say I haven't shown a shred of logic in regards to a star wars topic.. That's a real intelligent statement.. Now if you learn how to read, you can see where I say that my point was not that Yoda was stronger than Vodo, but that you can't prove Vodo is stronger than Yoda, and we've all see your Sith Wars Fanboyism so that hasn't really shown anyone anything.
I like how you try to insult me when you say I haven't shown a shred of logic in regards to a star wars topic.. That's a real intelligent statement..
Ah, so logic is inapplicable? Good to know, Lightsnake.
but that you can't prove Vodo is stronger than Yoda, and we've all see your Sith Wars Fanboyism so that hasn't really shown anyone anything.
Here you go again.
Listen up: You saying that we've not proven anything doesn't mean that we haven't, it only means you don't want to admit it and don't want to see it.
The onus is on you. Merely stating your conclusion without support again will only get you laughed at.
Hmmm laughed at by who? You? I don't see anyone aiding you nor agreeing with you. I just see someone who mistakes logic with fanboyism. You haven't proven that Vodo is better than Yoda. I never said Yoda is better than Vodo because logically there's no way to prove it, and logically there's no way to prove Vodo was better than Yoda, but youre the Sith Wars Fanboy so it must help you sleep.
Originally posted by tdtd
Hmmm laughed at by who? You? I don't see anyone aiding you nor agreeing with you.
Appeal to majority, logical fallacy. You lose your own fallacy, too:
I totally agree with IKC for the purposes of this thread. Haha, tdtd is the person I am laughing at. lmao!Stop being such an idiot, tdtd. IKC is right, the proof is there that shows Vodo is better, you just won't admit it.
Vodo WTFpwns Yoda.Any assumptions that Yoda has greater powers or skills than the ones shown for Vodo bears the burden of proof, of course. The very fact that Vodo could sustain his force spirit, be the de facto ruler of the jedi order, and rip the force from people (While having a staff made stronger than a lightsaber) speaks well for his power.
tdtd, the proof is in the pudding. Vodo's case is clear as crystal, and Yoda's case is looking worse by the minute. The fact that he couldn't decisively beat Dooku or Sidious just means he's underpar compared to Vodo.
On to the rest of your laughable post:
I just see someone who mistakes logic with fanboyism.
For the last time: Prove. Up.
This coming from the guy who just posted:
I like how you try to insult me when you say I haven't shown a shred of logic in regards to a star wars topic.. That's a real intelligent statement..
So which is it? Does logic apply or not?
You haven't proven that Vodo is better than Yoda.
You saying I haven't doesn't mean I haven't. I have, you don't want to admit it.
I never said Yoda is better than Vodo because logically there's no way to prove it
Right. So why do you troll around these forums if we can't prove that character X is better than character Y?
Seems you're caught in a web of stupidity.
Originally posted by tdtd
Where's the proof? Since you guys love discussing logic so much, where is the logical proof? I understand if you put up Kun vs. Yoda it's obvious, but where's the logic in this? Nerds
Its widely known that Jedi were passionate about fighting during the Sith Wars, and that like the Sith the most powerful fighters in the Jedi Order are granted a huge dose of respect, and considering Vodo WAS the defacto ruler of the Jedi Order, it does show, that Vodo was superior to Kun.
Knowledge: During the Sith War, Ossus had not been destroyed yet, nor had any of the Jedi lost their secrets, In other words, Vodo had more force knowledge avaliable to him
Lightsaber Combat: Vodo, though admittely lost to Kun, was still one of the greatest lightsaber's fighters, due to the fact that he had enough confidence that he used a wooden staff against lightsabers and consider that any lightside Jedi Master would not be arrogrant. Vodo managed to best Kun, and though Kun was still a padawan, he was still a prodigy. There is no evidence that Yoda could best any prodigy. Also consider that the peaceful Jedi did not practice any technique worthy to name, while the warlike Jedi, practised numerous styles.
Conclusion: In Force Knowledge it is evident that Vodo surpasses Yoda, and though in lightsaber combat it is rather vague, due to the period and the fact, that Vodo had bested the future Dark Lord of the Sith, is quite a feat even though Kun was a padawan. However by the very fact, that Vodo possess more knowledge means his more powerful, and the fact that he lived in a war like time, means that he would be more combat-trained than Yoda. Although most of these are assumptions, and we have very little knowledge on Vodo, it is conceivable that Vodo takes this, and Yoda does not.
Originally posted by tdtd
ok THAT is a good argument as opposed to IKC's "Omg if it's the Sith war characters they automatically win".
Are you f'ing blind?
He essentially compiled that entire post from things I've already posted!
Originally posted by IKC
Vodo vs. Yoda in ten seconds:Vodo: Most revered Jedi master in a martial time period, greater use of the force shown during said time period. Taller than Yoda, has a reach advantage, and may have an exoskeleton which would give him a tremendous strength advantage. Lost to Exar Kun, but managed to manifest himself four thousand years later to help banish Kun's half-mad, weakened spirit.
Yoda: Most revered Jedi master in a peaceful time period, Niman widely practiced. Stalemated ROTS Sidious, lost due to terrain.
To exaggerate, Vodo was the top dog of a group of badasses, and Yoda was top of a group of incompetants.
Originally posted by IKC
Actually, I'm damn certain Yoda would have gotten curbstomped in Vodo's place. And Vodo would have probably beaten ROTS Sidious since he isn't two feet tall and fifty pounds, and ergo wouldn't have been blasted off the pod.Vodo died when Exar got serious, yes. Are you going to say ROTS Sidious was toying with Yoda, or that he's in any way comparable to Exar Kun?
Yes, some of Yoda's time were good, for their time, but as we've seen from comparing them to the Jedi of TOTJ, a hell of a lot of knowledge was lost and forgotten. Battle meditation, anyone? How about blocking someone from the force, which Vodo and Nomi did to Ulic? Arca's little trick of taking droids apart by the joints? All those techniques and more from TOTJ would have been quite useful in the PT, but they apparently weren't known because they weren't used.
Yoda can shoot back Force lightning, yes. And Vodo can't? Absence of proof is not proof of absence, Exar Kun is not shown to ever use such a weak, standard attack as lightning.
I don't see how you can be so certain about Yoda, who was only a few hairs better than ROTS Sidious.
Originally posted by IKC
You're the one that brought up how Vodo was beaten easily when Exar, a far greater Sith than ROTS Sidious, stopped toying with him. I submitted that Yoda would have been tooled as well.What point were you trying to make in bringing that up?
Actually, we can judge his skills very well. He confronted Exar, the Dark Lord of the Sith, armed with a stick. He must have had great confidence in his combat skills, which the narrator describes in his first fight with Exar as a padawan as honed through "long experience."
He was the most respected Jedi of a martial time period, a time period when Jedi commonly wore battle armor and comprised a good deal of Republic military forces. A time period where Jedi display greater use of the Force than what is displayed in the PT.
The PT cannot compare.
So if he knew all those things then he's an idiot and didn't use them, hm? So he'd prefer to go into exile and let the galaxy suffer under twenty some-odd years of oppression rather than use some of these OJO Force powers that would've knocked Sidious flat on his ass?
Good job, Yoda.
Bullshit. Yes, Sidious knew battle meditation. Sidious also knew that he was a Sith. Did the Jedi know that too? What a stupid theory you've come up with - that the Sith and Jedi know all the same things.
And their last war was 1000 years ago, even before Yoda was born. After the war, the Jedi believed the Sith to be extinct. So where's the proof, Fishy?
Have you read my posts? I recommend you go over them again.
Originally posted by IKC
Uh, but then he did try, and slaughtered Vodo. Unless you're going to argue that Yoda would have fared better or that Sidious was toying with Yoda, you've got no point. I could easily say that the Yoda/Sidious fight "means shit," without substantiating, as well.It would be feat wars if I merely said "zOMG STAFF > LIGHTSABERLOLOLOL."
You should get to bed or something, you're not looking at this clearly. Read that part of the post again:
So... what's making Yoda greater than Vodo? This is a strike against him, you realize.
I said they would have put Sidious on his ass. Want an example? Blocking him from the Force.
What the hell are you talking about, here?
Right here:
It's completely unfounded and borderline ludicrous.
Sure, the Sith know it (and they do, because Palpatine uses it). Where does this guarantee that the Jedi know it as well? Indeed, it's very unlikely that battle meditation is known or practiced in the PT since there's been no war for a thousand years, much less war against Dark Siders.
So prove up. This is a side point anyway, the main point is that the OJO had very valuable knowledge that was lost by the time of the PT, thereby giving Vodo an advantage over Yoda.
Why would you be studying and training to fight an enemy you believe to be wiped from existence? Prove that they were.
*rolls eyes* Feat wars? Going to show me where I engaged in that? An obvious TOTJ bias? You agreed that PT < OJO.
Vodo seems to have all the advantages here. You've given me nothing to say Yoda is greater, as well.
Originally posted by Wesker
Wow. I'd hate to have that kind of server. I can stay on all day and night. God bless America.
Its a personal set up... My dad added it to the server to allow it to back up to another server. It has nothing to do with my provider.
Its widely known that Jedi were passionate about fighting during the Sith Wars, and that like the Sith the most powerful fighters in the Jedi Order are granted a huge dose of respect, and considering Vodo WAS the defacto ruler of the Jedi Order, it does show, that Vodo was superior to Kun.Knowledge: During the Sith War, Ossus had not been destroyed yet, nor had any of the Jedi lost their secrets, In other words, Vodo had more force knowledge avaliable to him
Lightsaber Combat: Vodo, though admittely lost to Kun, was still one of the greatest lightsaber's fighters, due to the fact that he had enough confidence that he used a wooden staff against lightsabers and consider that any lightside Jedi Master would not be arrogrant. Vodo managed to best Kun, and though Kun was still a padawan, he was still a prodigy. There is no evidence that Yoda could best any prodigy. Also consider that the peaceful Jedi did not practice any technique worthy to name, while the warlike Jedi, practised numerous styles.
Conclusion: In Force Knowledge it is evident that Vodo surpasses Yoda, and though in lightsaber combat it is rather vague, due to the period and the fact, that Vodo had bested the future Dark Lord of the Sith, is quite a feat even though Kun was a padawan. However by the very fact, that Vodo possess more knowledge means his more powerful, and the fact that he lived in a war like time, means that he would be more combat-trained than Yoda. Although most of these are assumptions, and we have very little knowledge on Vodo, it is conceivable that Vodo takes this, and Yoda does not.
Maybe i'm just really stubborn here, but what does this proof? Yes Vodo is likely better then Yoda, but you people state it like it can't be another way and like Vodo pwns Yoda.
Him making his staff more powerful means nothing really its a nice feat but we have no idea on how much power it would take.
Of course Vodo had acces to more knowledge then Yoda, this is true. However even if he did would it matter Yoda had 300 years more to study the knowledge he did have...
Lightsaber ability, Vodo his greatest fight... Fighting Exar Kun dying when he became serious.
Yoda his greatest feat losing from Sidious and staling Dooku. Neither one of them is really impressive put them in other situations and we don't know how it would have gone.
Shutting Sith from the force, I agree is a very useful technique, and to be able to do it alone does show power and knowledge. Knowledge that was lost since the Sith Wars, as nobody ever did it in that manner again. A very big loss, but obviously it didn't always work otherwise Exar wouldn't have the force anymore, and Yoda has some pretty good defences I wonder if it would work.
I'm just trying to say that Vodo would likely win, but I don't see the evidence that he would pwn Yoda like some people claim.
Originally posted by PurpleSaber
Vodo would most likely win, however a lot of people say that good people from the PT era like Yoda, Sidious, Mace, and Dooku suck when compared to ancient Sith and Jedi. There is no proof for this.
There is plenty of prove... The Jedi Order got weaker over time...
Actually what the **** was I arguing? Sorry peeps, Vodo very likely takes this.
tdtd is right here. You're thinking of Vodo's best feats and exxagerating them like hell. For instance where the hell are you going with how Vodo was able to duel with a wooden staff? Big deal. You have absolutely no proof that this was anything special. And you guys keep on telling tdtd to prove up when he is not arguing for Yoda or Vodo and doesn't need any proof and only needs to comment on your lack of it. You have completely ignored the extent of strength and focus that Yodacould use with the force. You are all fanboys of the ancient sith because you think it makes you original and sets you aside from the regular star wars fans. Believe me it doesn't.
No the prove for Vodo is very small and it would be a hard fight, but those guys are right. Vodo doesn't have a lot supporting him Yoda doesn't have a lot supporting him. Both have age and wisdom, and then comes the simple fact that Vodo likely has more wisdom because he had acces to more knowledge and likely more combat experience because he lived in a time where the Jedi were still busy fighting people.
Its just more likely that Vodo would win then lose, although the evidence sure as hell isn't overwelming.
This is what I was trying to say. I agree that Vodo had more knowledge but that itself is inconclusive when he goes up against Yoda. I'm sure he's most likely to win, but Yoda is most likely to beat Sidious the majority of the time too. The USA is more likely to win the World Basketball championships too, but they didn't..