Jor-El evil?

Can someone explain the episode crusade to me?

I dont understand it, meaning it seems like smallivlle is making clark's real father evil or something, or am i missing something?

Give me the short version if you dont feel like explaining the long version.

Jor-El was preparing Clark for his destiny. He needed Clark to secure all the stones of Kryptonian knowledge to make sure nothing bad happened to the Earth.

Oh. I always thought jol-el was evil or they was making it seem like he was evil.

So whats the difference when clark is under his father's control and when he's not? Because when he was under his father's control, well he was acting crazy lol.

Originally posted by MysteryRidah
Oh. I always thought jol-el was evil or they was making it seem like he was evil.

So whats the difference when clark is under his father's control and when he's not? Because when he was under his father's control, well he was acting crazy lol.

He was reprogrammed to what he probably would have been if he was to be raised on Krypton. That was "Kal-El".

Originally posted by MysteryRidah
Oh. I always thought jol-el was evil or they was making it seem like he was evil.

So whats the difference when clark is under his father's control and when he's not? Because when he was under his father's control, well he was acting crazy lol.

He wasn't acting crazy, he was actually pretty dull. 😛

He was just following his destiny, without the things that hold him back as Clark. The Kents think Jor-El is some monster, but he is just trying to prepare Clark for the future, he just doesnt know much about subtlety. 😛

Like was stated before, it was a necessity for Clark to secure the three stones to ensure nothing bad happened to earth. The stones were left for him to find.

I didn't get that.

The whole thing with reprogramming Clark's mind into Kal-El. Huh? He's already Kal-El - Kal-El is just his Kryptonian name. The whole different persona thing is a load of bollox IMO. To reprogram his mind into Kal-El would mean Clark becomes somebody completely different. Clark/Kal-El become a droid, a drone, a puppet. Whose father would want to destroy their own son's self-awareness? To erase their memory, to replace it with a new memory. What's the point in Clark being sent to Johnathon and Martha (going by Jor-El's reasons -- explained in episodes -- as to why Johnathon was chosen to father Kal-El in the first place) for him to be taught right from wrong etc, if all Jor-El's going to do is destroy all the teachings, all the lesson's learned and replace them with a friggin' liability to the human race?

I really don't know what Jor-El was thinking with that. Now he's got all the viewers confused, because they all think Kal-El and Clark Kent are two completely different people. That just isn't the way it goes, guys. Get with the programme.

Heh.

Originally posted by Whos_Pete
I didn't get that.

The whole thing with reprogramming Clark's mind into Kal-El. Huh? He's already Kal-El - Kal-El is just his Kryptonian name. The whole different persona thing is a load of bollox IMO. To reprogram his mind into Kal-El would mean Clark becomes somebody completely different. Clark/Kal-El become a droid, a drone, a puppet. Whose father would want to destroy their own son's self-awareness? To erase their memory, to replace it with a new memory. What's the point in Clark being sent to Johnathon and Martha (going by Jor-El's reasons -- explained in episodes -- as to why Johnathon was chosen to father Kal-El in the first place) for him to be taught right from wrong etc, if all Jor-El's going to do is destroy all the teachings, all the lesson's learned and replace them with a friggin' liability to the human race?

I really don't know what Jor-El was thinking with that. Now he's got all the viewers confused, because they all think Kal-El and Clark Kent are two completely different people. That just isn't the way it goes, guys. Get with the programme.

Heh.

We is Kal-El, and he is Clark. Clark is who Martha and Johnathan raised him to be.

By calling himself KAL-EL, he embrassed his Kryptonian identity, and the mission(s) Jor-El wants him to accomplish

Ian, why would Jor-El want to kill off his son's mind and replace it with a drone's? That's what he basically did. If you get shot in the head, say, and you were to survive it, but you acted completely differently afterwards, you'd no longer be Ian, would you? You'd be someone else. Someone who'd have to re-learn the values which you did when you were growing up. Baring this in mind, you can [hopefully] see that it's totally counterproductive for Jor-El to erase Clark of his human ethics.

Jor-El is a retard.

I dont get it either sometimes, at the end of crusade, when clark's mother had the black stone, Kal-El told clark he was weak, its like Kal-El is the evil superman or something hahahahaha.

hmmmmm, and right now i am confused. Or maybe Jor-EL wants clark to be something, but clark wants to control his own destiny.

But i guess later on, him and his real father turns out ok, because if you watch the short clip on superman the movie, everything seems ok between him and his father.

Smallville is all about clark growing up, remember that.

Also, Smallville is continuity BS

Originally posted by MysteryRidah
I dont get it either sometimes, at the end of crusade, when clark's mother had the black stone, Kal-El told clark he was weak, its like Kal-El is the evil superman or something hahahahaha.

hmmmmm, and right now i am confused. Or maybe Jor-EL wants clark to be something, but clark wants to control his own destiny.

But i guess later on, him and his real father turns out ok, because if you watch the short clip on superman the movie, everything seems ok between him and his father.

Smallville is all about clark growing up, remember that.

Kal-El's not really evil...He's just harder, less emotional about things. So basically Jor-El wanted him to still have his ethics, but not care as much for the people around him. I mean he didn't kill anyone, all he did was steal the stone, nothing more.

Originally posted by Darth Macabre
Kal-El's not really evil...He's just harder, less emotional about things. So basically Jor-El wanted him to still have his ethics, but not care as much for the people around him. I mean he didn't kill anyone, all he did was steal the stone, nothing more.

That is what I was trying to get across. It was like there was 2 different "Clarks." Kal-El, the "evil" side, was not as emotionally attached to the human race. The only thing he was interested in was getting the stones.

The Black Kryptonite was supposed to seperate the two aspects of Clarks self.

Stupid Browser...

Jor-El wanted him to still have his ethics, but not care as much for the people around him.

How can Clark have ethics that only his upbringing can teach him, if Jor-El erased his sodding memory?

"Basically", Darthy, Kal-El would walk on by a raping, a robbing, a mugging, or whatever, because he wouldn't care about an 'insignifant human individual'; he'd have more important things to take care of. Like, a mission that Jor-El had programmed into him.

I don't see how that's preserving ethics.

He's looking at the bigger picture, rather then his personal interests. He's saving the world, at the expense of a few people.

If he didn't have his ethics, then he would have let the world be destroyed no problem. Sure he might not have the exact same morals, but the fiber is still there.

When you're there to do something about a situation, and you don't 'act', that's because you're unethical; without any morals.

That's the bigger picture.

Originally posted by Whos_Pete
When you're there to do something about a situation, and you don't 'act', that's because you're unethical; without any morals.

That's the bigger picture.

But that's the thing. In this mythos, in this exact instance, he's not here to save the random individual, he's here to save everyone. And by gathering the stones, he is doing what he was meant to.

Saving "everyone" includes everybody.

You lose the debate (once again).

Originally posted by Whos_Pete
Saving "everyone" includes everybody.

You lose the debate (once again).

No, saving everyone does not mean saving everybody (every single individual)...And that is where you fail to see the difference. And I didn't lose anything. I don't care about your pathetic attempts to make yourself feel better. I, unlike you, don't really care about winning anything.