Why didn't you phrase it as "saving the world" then?
It's highly unlikely he'd spot a guy being mugged at the same time as he'd see a nuclear bomb about to go off. But, this is just you trying to subtly change the direction of the points we're discussing. Saving everyone is impossible to achieve on a literal level, but saving everyone you can, now that's what Clark can do. Kal-El wouldn't do that, would he? Therefore, he has no ethics.
You are wrong, and have been corrected for the [lost count] amount of times.
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Originally posted by Darth Macabre
He's looking at the bigger picture, rather then his personal interests. He's saving the world, at the expense of a few people.If he didn't have his ethics, then he would have let the world be destroyed no problem. Sure he might not have the exact same morals, but the fiber is still there.
You really don't pay attention to my posts do you? I have said "saving the world" you just failed to read what I write properly.
In the situation with the bomb, of course, Clark would 'choose' to focus on the thing that's the greatest threat. He could probably do both with his super speed though. Knock out the mugger on the way to stopping the bomb. It doesn't make Clark unethical to choose to save the world over over a single person. But I wasn't talking about Kal-El with that kind of 'scenario' in mind (hence why I say you subtly try to change the direction to fit your points). Lol. I used to change the question to fit my answer in maths class at school. What you're doing here is no different.
You really don't pay attention to my posts do you? I have said "saving the world" you just failed to read what I write properly.
lololol, really? You've clearly stated "saving everyone" in the posts I've read. Stop trying to change points to fit your answers. It's silly of you. If you are having a hard time remembering what you put in your posts, I urge you to go and check them out yourself.
In the meantime, can you calm down? Anger causes irrational thought and can sometimes cause 'memory loss' or selective memory syndrome.
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Ok, but that is basically the same scenario you brought up with the mugging, raping, thing. Instead of a bomb, Kal-El has to collect the stones. So essentially, it's the same scenario.
The post's you've read? So that automatically means that I haven't said something? Whatever man, you're a fool, that goes on about how you're right, when in fact I've said the same thing I always have, just with different words. Learn to understand synonyms, then get back to me.
Originally posted by Whos_Pete
How can Clark have ethics that only his upbringing can teach him, if Jor-El erased his sodding memory?
Kal-El had mild Amnesia
Originally posted by Whos_Pete
"Basically", Darthy, Kal-El would walk on by a raping, a robbing, a mugging, or whatever, because he wouldn't care about an 'insignifant human individual'; he'd have more important things to take care of. Like, a mission that Jor-El had programmed into him.I don't see how that's preserving ethics.
Clark doesn't have the Superman Complex going for him right now. And how often do you hear about Superman saving a random person anyways?
Jor-El pushed him towards the greater good. If you watched the rest of Season 4, you would see that Jor-El is pushing him to embrace his destiny to be a Superhero.
How can what I have brought up be the same senario as yours? Your scenario forces Clark to pick who to save. Mine doesn't. Kal-El collecting stones isn't as urgent as stopping a bomb that's about to destroy the world in 2 seconds. I'm sure Kal-El, with his great speed, could stop a mugger or two along his way. I didn't even say he had to go out of his way to stop it. I implied 'should he happen to stumble upon a mugging or a raping' along the way.
The post's you've read? So that automatically means that I haven't said something? Whatever man, you're a fool, that goes on about how you're right, when in fact
One word sums up your statements at this stage: Ignorance. Re-read your posts and see you stated "saving everyone". First page, go on, I dare you to turn the page back and see for yourself.
I'm not the one having problems with self-righteousness here, it's you. Hence the reason you feel the need to 'strengthen' your ponts by hurling abuse. Ironic considering you private messaged me a week or so ago with an apology for doing exactly that.
I've said the same thing I always have, just with different words. Learn to understand synonyms, then get back to me.
Saving everyone does not equal saving the world, as it means 'everyone'. Saving the "world" doesn't imply that everyone shall be saved. In debates like this, where accuracy is crucial to make a point valid, your own sloppiness tripped you up. You're the one with a lot to learn in this case.
Continue digging your own hole. I'm laughing at you.
Originally posted by Whos_Pete
MY GOD! YOU'RE RIGHT! 😮Superman always saves people who are entitled Mr. President.
Seriously... when is the last time you were reading a Superman comic, or watching Smallville and Clark saved a random person?
Back to topic... Jor-El did not CORRUPT Superman, but rather gave him a push in the direction he is destined to travel.
when is the last time you were reading a Superman comic, or watching Smallville and Clark saved a random person?
MY GOD! 😮
You're a genius, Smallville Ian. 😮
Jor-El did not CORRUPT Superman, but rather gave him a push in the direction he is destined to travel.
Wiping someone's memory or tampering with it in some way isn't a just simple *push* in the right direction. To pass it off as that is just 'stupid'. 😄
Originally posted by Whos_Pete
saving everyone does not equal saving the world, as it means 'everyone'. Saving the "world" doesn't imply that everyone shall be saved. In debates like this, where accuracy is crucial to make a point valid, your own sloppiness tripped you up. You're the one with a lot to learn in this case.Continue digging your own hole. I'm laughing at you.
Alas, I give up... You win. But like I said in the PM, I thank you.
Originally posted by Whos_Pete
MY GOD! 😮You're a genius, Smallville Ian. 😮
If you want to have a discussion about something, then please do conduct yourself in a civilized manner.
Originally posted by Whos_Pete
Wiping someone's memory or tampering with it in some way isn't a just simple *push* in the right direction. To pass it off as that is just 'stupid'.
I did not mean "push" literally.
What's uncivilised about my conduct? Explain. Conduct doesn't seem like the right word to choose. Somehow, it puts you across as one of those people I mention earlier. Those who cannot see the difference between reality and the net. That would explain how you get these 'conclusions' about my (cough) behaviour.
*Points at Ian and sniggers*
About the push: My interpretation of it is wrong (probably because you aren't that good at wording yourself, and therefore don't get things across in the way you intend). Similarly, your interpretation of my "conduct" (cough) is wrong for similar reasons.
Actually, you're reminding me of Darth's nasty habit of changing things you've said, or altering them, along the way in an effort to seem correct with what you're saying. Well, no, I spot your tampering. You should just point out that you made a mistake and actually state you should've worded it in a different way. Even make the effort to reword it. But no, your 'ego' is too big to do such a thing, isn't it, Ian?
However, I'm not going to bother trying to emphasise my correct points with an ongoing debate, as it'd take me a dozen posts, because you come from the same soup bowl as Darthy with never wanting to be wrong - even when clearly, you are. I will settle for one reply, this reply, to your silly remark about "conduct".
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Alas, I give up... You win. But like I said in the PM, I thank you.
It took a dozen replies, but I, the best man, won in the end. That's the thing with egotistical self-righteous people. You just hammer them with corrections until eventually their doubt overcomes their arrogant confidence and they buckle underneath the weight of your words, and in result, they confess they're wrong, and when really broken down, the confusion sets in and they thank you.
Heh.
Originally posted by Whos_Pete
What's uncivilised about my conduct? Explain. Conduct doesn't seem like the right word to choose. Somehow, it puts you across as one of those people I mention earlier. Those who cannot see the difference between reality and the net. That would explain how you get these 'conclusions' about my (cough) behaviour.
There is a difference between reality and the net? Since when? 🙄
When I said conduct yourself in a civilized manner, I meant just that. You are being, for lack of a better phrase, an arrogant prick.
Originally posted by Whos_Pete
About the push: My interpretation of it is wrong (probably because you aren't that good at wording yourself, and therefore don't get things across in the way you intend). Similarly, your interpretation of my "conduct" (cough) is wrong for similar reasons.
I used push on purpose... however, I should have specified that I was underexaggerating. Sometimes, there are people like you that will purposefully twist peoples words in order to mock them, trying to put them down in order to feel better about themselves. Such a small personality trait.
Originally posted by Whos_Pete
Actually, you're reminding me of Darth's nasty habit of changing things you've said, or altering them, along the way in an effort to seem correct with what you're saying. Well, no, I spot your tampering. You should just point out that you made a mistake and actually state you should've worded it in a different way. Even make the effort to reword it. But no, your 'ego' is too big to do such a thing, isn't it, Ian
No, what I post, I mean. I wouldn't post it otherwise. And I have admitted to being wrong more times that I care to count. But, if you need this in order to feel better about yourself... then far be it from me to take your victory away from you.
Amazing.
And you say I'm the one who's not conducting himself in a civilised manner. Roll your eyeballs into the back of your head and have them scan for a tiny brain somewhere in the middle of that black hole inbetween your ears.
Phrases that make you look like a hypocrite are (from top to bottom):
You are being, for lack of a better phrase, an arrogant prick.
Now, now, that's just UNCIVILISED.
Sometimes, there are people like you
There's no one like me, but what an UNCIVILISED thing to suggest. To say I'm a part of the interchangeables that you are in cahoots with. What an insult!
Well done, Ian, you've successfully made your point lessor than it could've been, had you not done as you tried to tell me not to do.
No, what I post, I mean. I wouldn't post it otherwise. And I have admitted to being wrong more times that I care to count. But, if you need this in order to feel better about yourself... then far be it from me to take your victory away from you.
What's all this about 'victories', hah? You've a lot to learn, mah boy. All this make-believe stuff you and Darthy-boy have going, it's very cute, but it's hardly the stuff adults would use, is it? It's the sort of unproven stuff that gets tossed around in infant schools e.g. "yo' mamma's so fat". How the hell do they know? How the hell do *you* know?
It's time you admit you're wrong again.
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Originally posted by Whos_Pete
Amazing.And you say I'm the one who's not conducting himself in a civilised manner. Roll your eyeballs into the back of your head and have them scan for a tiny brain somewhere in the middle of that black hole inbetween your ears.
Phrases that make you look like a hypocrite are (from top to bottom):
Now, now, that's just UNCIVILISED.
There's no one like me, but what an UNCIVILISED thing to suggest. To say I'm a part of the interchangeables that you are in cahoots with. What an insult!
Well done, Ian, you've successfully made your point lessor than it could've been, had you not done as you tried to tell me not to do.
What's all this about 'victories', hah? You've a lot to learn, mah boy. All this make-believe stuff you and Darthy-boy have going, it's very cute, but it's hardly the stuff adults would use, is it? It's the sort of unproven stuff that gets tossed around in infant schools e.g. "yo' mamma's so fat". How the hell do they know? How the hell do *you* know?
It's time you admit you're wrong again.
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If it will quit your self-deluted rants, then I will.
For now, back on topic, please.