Originally posted by TricksterPriestkeep hating me it makes me smile. it always has.
I hate Quan, but Doom WILL have his hands full prepping for the Martian. I woulnd't put it past him to pull out a win though. And he is damn good with magic, so he's got a good shot of taking this one.
anyways dr doom would break mm in two with prep. mm got bitchslapped by black adam with help. dr doom took out beyonder with prep. doom wins this all day.
Originally posted by quanchi112
keep hating me it makes me smile. it always has.anyways dr doom would break mm in two with prep. mm got bitchslapped by black adam with help. dr doom took out beyonder with prep. doom wins this all day.
I'd have to agree. Doom has come up against beings with MM's strength, MM's speed, and Intangibility before. Hell, Doctor Doom has fought every A list hero that exists in marvel and come out on top. There isn't a skill MM could come up with that Doom hasn't encountered in some form.
he's got incredibly high level tech, powerstealing weapons, and he's still earth's #2 sorcerer. That much magic is practically a deus-ex-machina. What CANT you do with it?
Consider also that doom can body-switch when he feels he's at a disadvantage. It's not a power he uses often, but it IS in his power set.
Originally posted by Space M ummy👆
I'd have to agree. Doom has come up against beings with MM's strength, MM's speed, and Intangibility before. Hell, Doctor Doom has fought every A list hero that exists in marvel and come out on top. There isn't a skill MM could come up with that Doom hasn't encountered in some form.he's got incredibly high level tech, powerstealing weapons, and he's still earth's #2 sorcerer. That much magic is practically a deus-ex-machina. What CANT you do with it?
Consider also that doom can body-switch when he feels he's at a disadvantage. It's not a power he uses often, but it IS in his power set.
I haven't been keeping up to date with Jonn lately, although I noticed that he no longer hides what he really looks like. The old Jonn could only sustain near Superman level feats of strength for 2 minutes, has he changed so drastically? By the way I vote for Doom, he's just so smart that I wouldn't put it past him to not only beat Jonn but enslave the rest of the JLA, while stealing their powers.
First of all, you all SERIOUSLY overestimate the length of time that 30 minutes covers, and Doom's genious. That's not to say he isn't brilliant, but you act like he could take down the world with a day of prep.
Ha.
Also, in his intangible state, MM doesn't HAVE any molecules. His entire body is shunted to another dimension.
Thirdly, I'd like to see if Doom has EVER built defenses competent enough to overcome MM's level of telepathy.
welll doctor doom is the second in line to the tittle of sorccoror supreeme i do belive. so the question is is mm weak against magic i am aware that he weak against fire but does this expand to magically stuff.. as far asi see isnt mm a jack of all trades but a master of non of them,..... this is his weaknesss as mutch as it is his strengh.
Originally posted by quanchi112
keep hating me it makes me smile. it always has.anyways dr doom would break mm in two with prep. mm got bitchslapped by black adam with help. dr doom took out beyonder with prep. doom wins this all day.
Originally posted by SnazzySmurphI don't remember the amount of time Doom had in Secret Wars, but he basically punked Galactus out of all his Worldship energy with hours worth of prep. I personally find that harder than taking down the world with a day of prep. I don't think the prep necessary to punk Martian Manhunter would even come close.
First of all, you all SERIOUSLY overestimate the length of time that 30 minutes covers, and Doom's genious. That's not to say he isn't brilliant, but you act like he could take down the world with a day of prep.Ha.
Also, in his intangible state, MM doesn't HAVE any molecules. His entire body is shunted to another dimension.
Thirdly, I'd like to see if Doom has EVER built defenses competent enough to overcome MM's level of telepathy.
If this is some Macguyver scenario where Doom is stuck with nothing and has a tube of toothpaste and has to start from scratch, yes it'd be a b1tch. But Doom always has his Doombots, always has his tech around and preparing for J'onn probably wouldn't take much. He'd probably switch stuff he's already built into his armor and bring his Doombots online and that's it. Neural scrambler in his helmet for protection, stolen and modified from the Onslaught fight, check. Phase inhibitor culled from examining Vision's and Kitty Pryde's intangibility, check. Increase forcefield power reserves by a factor of 10, check. Dust off some demonic spellbook in case shyt happens, check.
Someone gives Batman 30 minutes of prep and nobody would argue he could give Superman a run for his money. But give Dr. Doom 30 minutes of prep with all the tech he already has at his disposal and people actually believe he gets punked by J'onn? Doom's taken out the entire FF, Terrax, Silver Surfer, Magus, Galactus, classic Beyonder and still you doubt Doom? Oi vey. Surprise ending for WWH? Doom comes in and shows everyone how it's f'ing done. Nuff said.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0IIRC, he had plenty more then half an hour... and, despite that, Doom might be big and bad, but I've seen him beaten before, by people who can't move half as fast, aren't half as strong, don't have nearly the versatility, or don't have nearly the level of telepathy that J'onn possesses... J'onn has all of that, and Doom ONLY has half an hour. Law of averages.
I don't remember the amount of time Doom had in Secret Wars, but he basically punked Galactus out of all his Worldship energy with hours worth of prep. I personally find that harder than taking down the world with a day of prep. I don't think the prep necessary to punk Martian Manhunter would even come close.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0And what of that would seriously inhibit J'onn? Doombots? J'onn moves too fast to even register... Tech? Wanna specify?... Neural scrambler? J'onn has a truckload of other ways to take Doom down... Phasing inhibitor? Weren't you listening? Martian's method of phasing isn't ANYTHING like those two. It is in fact much superior, and I have yet to see someone in this thread offer an idea for how Doom could even harm MM while like that.
If this is some Macguyver scenario where Doom is stuck with nothing and has a tube of toothpaste and has to start from scratch, yes it'd be a b1tch. But Doom always has his Doombots, always has his tech around and preparing for J'onn probably wouldn't take much. He'd probably switch stuff he's already built into his armor and bring his Doombots online and that's it. Neural scrambler in his helmet for protection, stolen and modified from the Onslaught fight, check. Phase inhibitor culled from examining Vision's and Kitty Pryde's intangibility, check. Increase forcefield power reserves by a factor of 10, check. Dust off some demonic spellbook in case shyt happens, check.
As for force fields and spell books... MM phases through the former, and he'll move too fast for the latter to be of any consequence.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0🤨 I would give arguments for Superman... regardless, the only way Batman would perform such a task is by utilizing tech made by alien races who make earth (and Doom, most of the time) look like it's in the stone age. So that point is null.
Someone gives Batman 30 minutes of prep and nobody would argue he could give Superman a run for his money. But give Dr. Doom 30 minutes of prep with all the tech he already has at his disposal and people actually believe he gets punked by J'onn?
J'onn is actually harder to prep for then Supes, IMO, because of his versatility. Many more options to f*ck you over.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0He's taken them down with much more prep then half an hour, and in some cases, with tech that he doesn't possess here.
Doom's taken out the entire FF, Terrax, Silver Surfer, Magus, Galactus, classic Beyonder and still you doubt Doom? Oi vey. Surprise ending for WWH? Doom comes in and shows everyone how it's f'ing done.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Nuff said.
Originally posted by SnazzySmurphLaw of averages says that with the foes and odds Doom has faced before, J'onn is beneath Doom's notice.
IIRC, he had plenty more then half an hour... and, despite that, Doom might be big and bad, but I've seen him beaten before, by people who can't move half as fast, aren't half as strong, don't have nearly the versatility, or don't have nearly the level of telepathy that J'onn possesses... J'onn has all of that, and Doom ONLY has half an hour. Law of averages.
Originally posted by SnazzySmurphYou want to lay down absolutes by saying Doom couldn't find a way around J'onn's phasing without backing it up, fine. No, really. I'll accept it as per stipulation. I'll concede that nobody can ever disrupt J'onn's intangibility through scientific means. Doesn't matter, Doom's got magic. I can deal in absolutes also. Doom uses magic to f*ck with him. Magic messes with astral forms, intangibility and all sorts of goodness. J'onn is not immune to magic and speed is inconsequential. Binding spells aren't like webshooters. They don't chase foes around, they just zap em instantaneously. I've never seen anyone dodge the Crimson Bands of Cytorrak or other containment spells. They just pop instanteously. So stuff the intangibility/speed. Besides, Superman's been zapped by magic so often I don't even understand why I'm arguing this point.
And what of that would seriously inhibit J'onn? Doombots? J'onn moves too fast to even register... Tech? Wanna specify?... Neural scrambler? J'onn has a truckload of other ways to take Doom down... Phasing inhibitor? Weren't you listening? Martian's method of phasing isn't ANYTHING like those two. It is in fact much superior, and I have yet to see someone in this thread offer an idea for how Doom could even harm MM while like that.As for force fields and spell books... MM phases through the former, and he'll move too fast for the latter to be of any consequence.
Originally posted by SnazzySmurph1. Batman has fought off Superman with conventional tech, tactics and strategy. While alien tech and mother boxes and all that crap would make it easier, Batman has been forced to and made due with conventional tech against Superman.
🤨 I would give arguments for Superman... regardless, the only way Batman would perform such a task is by utilizing tech made by alien races who make earth (and Doom, most of the time) look like it's in the stone age. So that point is null.J'onn is actually harder to prep for then Supes, IMO, because of his versatility. Many more options to f*ck you over.
He's taken them down with much more prep then half an hour, and in some cases, with tech that he doesn't possess here.
God I hate that phrase. It's always used by people to make it seem like they've actually established something.
J'onn's certainly a match, Superman says so himself. J'onn could surprise Doom too mid-battle, might get a few wins if Doom underestimates him (his greatest weakness is his vainglorious pride). But Doom has faced down bigger, badder, more versatile, hell... he's faced so-called omnipotent beings before. Based on the law of averages which you like to quote, J'onn would sit up at the 30 minute mark, wave a white flag as the start bell is rung and sit his green butt down. Don't argue with me that Doom has never faced anyone like J'onn before. He's faced worse on a weekly basis. Show me where J'onn has faced someone like Doom before and maybe you might convince me that this J'onn doesn't get curbstomped.
EDIT: Oh yeah and btw, til you start doing more than just spouting off powersets, each of which I've countered with a method that Doom can and has in the past utilized to nullify/counter such powers: Nuff said.
Doom loses. seriously wayyy too many people overestimate what Doom can do in thirty minutes. first of all he'd have to think of a plan which will time. and by the time he can get near enough to finish his prep would be done. MM wins. he really doesn't have any extremely blatant weaknesses to exploit and he's no idiot either. he could bring Martian tech if he needed to and would own Doom's tech. in fact he could bypass any of Doom's defenses with a Martian vehicle that could enter the Phantom Zone and reenter earth wherever he wanted to and thereby bypass any defense Doom could cook up in only 30 minutes. People act like he beats Galactus or Silver Surfer with 10 minutes. No he probably needs days to make this stuff.
Originally posted by Superherovandalmm is no where near or even in the same league as the silver surfer or galactus. doom would own him all day and all night. 10 for 10. mm would need some jla backup and fast.
Doom loses. seriously wayyy too many people overestimate what Doom can do in thirty minutes. first of all he'd have to think of a plan which will time. and by the time he can get near enough to finish his prep would be done. MM wins. he really doesn't have any extremely blatant weaknesses to exploit and he's no idiot either. he could bring Martian tech if he needed to and would own Doom's tech. in fact he could bypass any of Doom's defenses with a Martian vehicle that could enter the Phantom Zone and reenter earth wherever he wanted to and thereby bypass any defense Doom could cook up in only 30 minutes. People act like he beats Galactus or Silver Surfer with 10 minutes. No he probably needs days to make this stuff.
Originally posted by quanchi112the thing is they have completely different powers and sources to their power. Its not like he can just make a tiny change to his SS tech and then expect it to work on MM. besides Doom didn't just come up with that tech out of nowhere it took him days of planning and making to probably do that. then theres the fact that MM is no idiot and has tech that more advanced that Doom's.
mm is no where near or even in the same league as the silver surfer or galactus. doom would own him all day and all night. 10 for 10. mm would need some jla backup and fast.
Originally posted by Superherovandaldoom is no slouch in combat either. he was kicking the magus's ass in infinity war straight up. dont underestimate the guy who stole classic beyonders powers. mm is a joke to doom.
the thing is they have completely different powers and sources to their power. Its not like he can just make a tiny change to his SS tech and then expect it to work on MM. besides Doom didn't just come up with that tech out of nowhere it took him days of planning and making to probably do that. then theres the fact that MM is no idiot and has tech that more advanced that Doom's.
MM is no joke. Doom would win if he had a week of prep. but 30 minutes is hardly anytime to come up with any substantial defenses against MM. his powers come from his martian physiology which Doom has no knowledge or understanding of and he wouldn't be able to nullify any of MM's powers besides maybe telepathy.Besidesl like i said MM has tech that would enable him to bypass all of Doom's little defenses by shunting himself into the PZ and coming back to the regular dimension whereever he wants. Mm win a majority.
Doom casts the Crimson Bands of Cytorrak on J'onn. J'onn tries to break out with strength and fails, tries to shapeshift his way out and fails, tries to phase through them and fails. Then Doom uses his "Go to Hell" gun on J'onn and lets Mephisto anally rape him.
Or Doom could just magically transfer his mind and J'onn's.
Or Doom could go back into time with his time machine and make sure J'onn is never born.
Or Doom can be a total jerk, use his Latverians as cannon fodder, forcing J'onn to save them by going solid and Doom whacks the crap out of him then. After all Latverians live to serve Doom.
This is random crap off the top of my head. Doom is far more cunning and would probably come up with more devious and dastardly plots. Don't underestimate Doom. He doesn't need defenses, his offense and cunning undoes any versatility J'onn can muster. You tell me wth is J'onn gonna do when Doom decides to use magic on his Martian butt?
Doom takes the majority here. People have to remember that Doom's tech isn't just limited to Earth based technology either, he's also mastered the technology of the Ovoids and the Microverse, and has shown some degree of skill with the tech of the Watcher's and Galactus as well. He's already got the blueprints and prototypes of his best inventions on hand so he wouldn't have to come up with anything new for the occasion unless he felt it was necessary. MM could win a few if Doom got to cocky, but Doom should probably pull 6-7/10.