Originally posted by OneDumbG0Not at all.
Law of averages says that with the foes and odds Doom has faced before, J'onn is beneath Doom's notice.
If the majority of Doom's continuity consisted of his high showings, in which he recieved similair prep time as he has here... you may have a point.
However it's not like that. Not at all.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You want to lay down absolutes by saying Doom couldn't find a way around J'onn's phasing without backing it up, fine. No, really. I'll accept it as per stipulation. I'll concede that nobody can ever disrupt J'onn's intangibility through scientific means. Doesn't matter, Doom's got magic. I can deal in absolutes also. Doom uses magic to f*ck with him. Magic messes with astral forms, intangibility and all sorts of goodness. J'onn is not immune to magic and speed is inconsequential. Binding spells aren't like webshooters. They don't chase foes around, they just zap em instantaneously. I've never seen anyone dodge the Crimson Bands of Cytorrak or other containment spells. They just pop instanteously. So stuff the intangibility/speed. Besides, Superman's been zapped by magic so often I don't even understand why I'm arguing this point.
1. Doom can't cast "binding spells" during prep time, so he would have to do so once the battle starts. However, due to J'onn's superior speed (and that's a major understatement), Doom would barely have registered the battle before J'onn went intangible, right through his defenses, and mindraped him.
2. Doom, in order to hurt J'onn's intangible form, would have to logically find the exact dimension his body was in, and hurt it, and somehow cause it to return to ours, before J'onn tore him in two.
Oopsies.
3. Superman didn't have his mass shunted to a seperate dimension...
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Batman has also batkicked the Spectre across the face.
1. Batman has fought off Superman with conventional tech, tactics and strategy. While alien tech and mother boxes and all that crap would make it easier, Batman has been forced to and made due with conventional tech against Superman.
PIS is nothing new to the Dark Knight.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Hey, Doom is certainly more impressive.
2. Considering that Doom has built machines that make aliens, otherwordly beings, cosmic abstracts and future versions of themselves look like idiots on a daily basis, I don't see how you can argue that Doom would be a poor man's Batman. Doom's made transdimensional portals into Hell, the only working time machine in Marvel Earth, Power Cosmic transferrence devices (after it baffled the crap out of Annihilus and Thanos for half the 'Annihilation' story arc) and you think Doom would be outshined by alien tech or Batman? You tell me given the amount of time and resources Doom had, would Batman have been able to steal Galactus' Worldship energy? Or punk the Silver Surfer like Doom did? Or come in second place during the contest for Sorcerer Supreme? Or beat Mephisto in his own realm? Or subdue the Magus who had a near complete Infinity Gauntlet?
Batman just has access to stuff that, most of the time, makes Doom's stuff look like lego blocks and tonka trucks.
I never made a comment about Doom being unimpressive.
Reading comprehension ftw.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0J'onn won't need to surprise anyone... the martian has raced around the world in the time it took someone to take a breath. Doom won't know wtf hit him.
J'onn's certainly a match, Superman says so himself. J'onn could surprise Doom too mid-battle, might get a few wins if Doom underestimates him (his greatest weakness is his vainglorious pride). But Doom has faced down bigger, badder, more versatile, hell... he's faced so-called omnipotent beings before. Based on the law of averages which you like to quote, J'onn would sit up at the 30 minute mark, wave a white flag as the start bell is rung and sit his green butt down. Don't argue with me that Doom has never faced anyone like J'onn before. He's faced worse on a weekly basis. Show me where J'onn has faced someone like Doom before and maybe you might convince me that this J'onn doesn't get curbstomped.
J'onn has made gods fall asleep with TP alone... Doom really doesn't stand a chance.
And, if you firmly believe that, based on law of averages, Doom >>>>> J'onn, you don't know J'onn, or Doom. At all.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Fair enough.
EDIT: Oh yeah and btw, til you start doing more than just spouting off powersets, each of which I've countered with a method that Doom can and has in the past utilized to nullify/counter such powers: Nuff said.
Oh yeah and btw, til you show some method of reasonable debating, and don't just spout off scenarios that had entirely different circumstances, involving different resources, and MUCH more prep, and actually post something worthwhile: I'll continue to think you're a dumbass.
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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Doom casts the Crimson Bands of Cytorrak on J'onn. J'onn tries to break out with strength and fails, tries to shapeshift his way out and fails, tries to phase through them and fails. Then Doom uses his "Go to Hell" gun on J'onn and lets Mephisto anally rape him.Or Doom could just magically transfer his mind and J'onn's.
Or Doom could go back into time with his time machine and make sure J'onn is never born.
Or Doom can be a total jerk, use his Latverians as cannon fodder, forcing J'onn to save them by going solid and Doom whacks the crap out of him then. After all Latverians live to serve Doom.
This is random crap off the top of my head. Doom is far more cunning and would probably come up with more devious and dastardly plots. Don't underestimate Doom. He doesn't need defenses, his offense and cunning undoes any versatility J'onn can muster. You tell me wth is J'onn gonna do when Doom decides to use magic on his Martian butt?
cannon fodder... 😆 now thats funny.
seriously, if martians are all so hot, how come their all dead? doom takes this all day every day and twice on sundays
Originally posted by gogogadgetgowell...most were killed by a fire telepathic plague caused by Jonn's brother. then Jonn as Fernus, a being that was owning the JLA like they were cannon fodder, kills the White Martians, then the US govt uses Martian tech to kill the rest. except for the one in the TT.
cannon fodder... 😆 now thats funny.
seriously, if martians are all so hot, how come their all dead? doom takes this all day every day and twice on sundays
Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
2. Doom, in order to hurt J'onn's intangible form, would have to logically find the exact dimension his body was in, and hurt it, and somehow cause it to return to ours, before J'onn tore him in two.Oopsies.
In most cases (more often than his molecules shunting to another dimension), when J'onn is "intangible," his body's frequency is still vibrating in this dimension, thus he still has atomic resonance.
If Doom could match that frequency with his powers, he could harm MM.
Though, could Doom do that before J'onn phases a hand through him? No, probably not.
Originally posted by batdude123Oh yeh.
In most cases (more often than his molecules shunting to another dimension), when J'onn is "intangible," his body's frequency is still vibrating in this dimension, thus he still has atomic resonance.If Doom could match that frequency with his powers, he could harm MM.
Though, could Doom do that before J'onn phases a hand through him? No, probably not.