Odin, Zeus, Zuras, Rune King Thor, Vishnu, Osiris, and Gaea vs Full Powered Tyrant

So without evidence you simply claim that Galactus, who can destroy the universe, is weaker than a regular Celestial? And fully-fed Galactus is on par with Death and Eternity, hence a generic Celestial is above Death and Eternity. Doesn't sound true to me.

As long as you have no evidence proving that Celestials are more powerful than Galactus, you have no way to win this debate. There is evidence that confirming the fact that Galactus can destroy the universe and is approximately as strong as Death and Eternity, but nothing shows that Celestials are stronger than Galactus.

And since Tyrant fought Galactus and even stalemated him for quite a while, it can be said that he is almost as powerful as Galactus and definitely in the same league. Of course the Galactus he fought wasn't in full power. Tyrant simply overpowers your puny gods after pimpslapping them to comatose.

Tyrant would become dog's crap. He is no Galactus. And Galactus isn't above all the Celestials but only their majority.

Thanos almost killed Galactus with a nuke and a planet. THE END.

they said a hammer broke exitars skin only for a moment though and hulk punched through a celestial whats your point if galactus almost died with a nuke he was probably not well fed his herald SS has been able to servive a planet destroying blast by korvac and the invisible man servived a nuke so obviously it was CIS or PIS on the part of the writhers or galactus was just not well fed. SS when he was the keeper went around thinking he was stronger then galactus cause he wasnt well fed then when galactus was well fed he got tired of the keeper and messed him up.

Originally posted by Tshern
So without evidence you simply claim that Galactus, who can destroy the universe, is weaker than a regular Celestial? And fully-fed Galactus is on par with Death and Eternity, hence a generic Celestial is above Death and Eternity. Doesn't sound true to me.

As long as you have no evidence proving that Celestials are more powerful than Galactus, you have no way to win this debate. There is evidence that confirming the fact that Galactus can destroy the universe and is approximately as strong as Death and Eternity, but nothing shows that Celestials are stronger than Galactus.

And since Tyrant fought Galactus and even stalemated him for quite a while, it can be said that he is almost as powerful as Galactus and definitely in the same league. Of course the Galactus he fought wasn't in full power. Tyrant simply overpowers your puny gods after pimpslapping them to comatose.

without evidence that galactus is on par with eternity (whom eternity addressed this issue in the infinity gauntlet series, he said LT was the only one he considered a peer. not infinity, not galactus). you have no case either. i'm just going by on panel showings. you are going on hear-say information. which seems more credible to you???

Originally posted by Tshern
Excuse me, maybe I read your posts too carelessly, but do you have any evidence of that? To me that sounds like complete BS, Galactus is a cosmic entity who indeed has an essential duty in the universe unlike the Celestials, who just run their own experiments. And since the Watcher said that Galactus can destroy the universe (even several times) and I don't see Celestials having such powers, I have to disagree with your statement until I see some evidence.

Hopefully this didn't offend you, but there's a principle I tend to follow; believe the source that has more credibility. And in this case I have to lean to Marvel Comics rather than you statement. I'm sorry if I missed your pieces of evidence, but if you had any, could you please repost it/them?

i dont get it. you and another fellow keep coming in and saying i have no evidence. galactus uses worlds (single planets) to keep his life going. a celestials life was started by an entire galaxy. 1 point celestial

galactus couldnt stop ego (regardless of power). celestials threw planets like marbles . this is a double also, they destroyed the black galaxy which ego resides in. had ego been there, he would have been destroyed too. galactus cant even stop the planet, but a single celestial can end the entire galaxy??? which is billions upon billions of stars and planets... hmmm. 1/another point for celestials

galactus was repelled by odin. a single celestial haulted zues, odin, and vishnu (this is the good part) by simply raising his hand. so you are telling me that galactus was so starved he couldnt even match the celestials hand??? then you are going to tell me that by feeding, galactus would gain that much power??? 1 point celestials

marvel has put out a news letter that diretly addressed this issue. it said something along the lines of the watchers, galactus and the stranger USED to be the top tier of power houses in the marvel mu. now the celestials constitute the next level of power. and that is how they depicted them. 1 point celestials.

thor used his godforce blast several times on galactus, causing him to flee for his life. he used the same attack (only amplified, he attached his hammer to his belt of power to try and control it) on a celestial. it only gave the celestial pause. the blast was so powerful it disentigrated thors hammer. but wait, it was still present after galactus... 1 point celestial

so in review for all you math majors... 5 points for celestials, no points for galactus (unless you count alternate realities). please feel free to tear these arguements apart with your "evidence" as i know you cant. it cant be done. these are on panel showings, and each one favors the celestial. not galactus. let alone tyrant.

Originally posted by Mider
they said a hammer broke exitars skin only for a moment though and hulk punched through a celestial whats your point if galactus almost died with a nuke he was probably not well fed his herald SS has been able to servive a planet destroying blast by korvac and the invisible man servived a nuke so obviously it was CIS or PIS on the part of the writhers or galactus was just not well fed. SS when he was the keeper went around thinking he was stronger then galactus cause he wasnt well fed then when galactus was well fed he got tired of the keeper and messed him up.

mind giving me an issue number of hulk and a celestial and hulk breaking the armor??? another thing you are argueing in my favor you just dont know it. it was later explained that when thor penetrated the armor of a celestial, it was because the celestial wanted it to happen. it wanted to judge thor. it deemed him worthy to live. lucky for him.

the destroyer also penetrated the armor of a celestial with its sword. but it too was explained. the celestial wanted to study the weapon in which it was being attacked with. on both cases, it was only that the celestial permitted it to happen.

i dont get it. you and another fellow keep coming in and saying i have no evidence. galactus uses worlds (single planets) to keep his life going. a celestials life was started by an entire galaxy. 1 point celestial

So you've posted these before? Sorry about that, it was a nice post.

And then another question: Does someone have the issue where Wathcer says that Galactus is on par with Death and Eternity? Well, even if Galactus wasn't on he same level with Eternity, he still would be on the same level with Death. Who's more powerful, a Celestial or Death?

then you are going to tell me that by feeding, galactus would gain that much power??? 1 point celestials

That is exactly what I'm telling you. You probably know how Galactus' hunger works, but I'll write it here just for sure.

Let's say Galactus is at his normal power (not full power, that's not his normal state.) and he roams the space. After some time he grows weaker and weaker due to the hunger and he decides to find a planet to consume. After a long time without consuming planets he still is extremely powerful, but nowhere close to his normal levels, and he is about to die because he hasn't had any planets to eat (it has been stated many times that he'll die if he doesn't get energy).

When he finally eats his powers restore to some level, perhaps to the level he was just after his last feeding. Anyhow, the fact remains, we haven't seen fully-fed (hence full-powered) Galactus in the comics and I'm pretty sure we are never going to see.

i dont get it. you and another fellow keep coming in and saying i have no evidence. galactus uses worlds (single planets) to keep his life going. a celestials life was started by an entire galaxy. 1 point celestial

Maybe that point should be revoked, after all the life was started by an entire galaxy, which didn't have any life lifepower since Ego had snuffed it.

Celestials probably are able to destroy a galaxy, but why wouldn't Galactus be able to destroy the universe? It's stated in the comics, and even in a canon comic. Universe>galaxy.

mind giving me an issue number of hulk and a celestial and hulk breaking the armor???

I believe that was non-canon.

Originally posted by Tshern
And then another question: Does someone have the issue where Wathcer says that Galactus is on par with Death and Eternity? Well, even if Galactus wasn't on he same level with Eternity, he still would be on the same level with Death. Who's more powerful, a Celestial or Death?

i dont think galactus is on par with death either. once, when galactus was hungry, death paid him a visit. she said it wasnt his time to go, and he had a destiny to fulfill... she COULD have taken him. but she/he/it didnt... it just wasnt his time. if he was on par with he/she/it, he could stop death. but he cant. just like you stated earlier. he's like us. he doesnt eat, he then becomes deaths slave... hmmm

Originally posted by Tshern
That is exactly what I'm telling you. You probably know how Galactus' hunger works, but I'll write it here just for sure.

i do, and it wasnt necessary.

Originally posted by Tshern
Let's say Galactus is at his normal power (not full power, that's not his normal state.) and he roams the space. After some time he grows weaker and weaker due to the hunger and he decides to find a planet to consume. After a long time without consuming planets he still is extremely powerful, but nowhere close to his normal levels, and he is about to die because he hasn't had any planets to eat (it has been stated many times that he'll die if he doesn't get energy).

galactus wasnt starving when thor made him flee. galactus wasnt starving when he faced ego (atleast once). galactus wasnt hungry when he faced off against a watcher... hmm. like you said, if galactus will likely never reach that power level, why do you even think it exists??? or even that he CAN reach a level to remotely battle a celestial?? its not been shown to happen. and by your own words, its not likely either. marvel has been very consistant in this galactus/celestial heirarchy.

Originally posted by Tshern
When he finally eats his powers restore to some level, perhaps to the level he was just after his last feeding. Anyhow, the fact remains, we haven't seen fully-fed (hence full-powered) Galactus in the comics and I'm pretty sure we are never going to see.

which means he's never been shown to be able to compete with a celestial...

Originally posted by Tshern
Maybe that point should be revoked, after all the life was started by an entire galaxy, which didn't have any life lifepower since Ego had snuffed it.

the point is, it took an entire galaxy to start a single celestials life. thats just to start it... galactus runs on planets. celestials run on galaxies. its even been theorized that is what galactus' role is. he eats enough worlds, and celestials are born. even though he would be there "father", he still isnt as powerful. its just as good a theory as saying that galactus is above all but eternity and infinity.

Originally posted by Tshern
Celestials probably are able to destroy a galaxy, but why wouldn't Galactus be able to destroy the universe? It's stated in the comics, and even in a canon comic. Universe>galaxy.

yes, but galactus hasnt shown that kind of power. i think if galactus did try, there are several entities that COULD stop him. which means he wouldnt be capable of it. a celestial being one of those beings...

Originally posted by Tshern
I believe that was non-canon.

therefor shouldnt even have been brought up.

"mind giving me an issue number of hulk and a celestial and hulk breaking the armor???"

Oly- Its not in continuity.

i dont think galactus is on par with death either. once, when galactus was hungry, death paid him a visit.

I liked that scene, really worth seeing. But you have to remember that Death said she considers Galactus as a brother, dad, son and husband (Sorry that I cannot give you an exact quote, my comics are mostly in Finnish...). Also Galactus was starving, you probably won't even deny that. We are talking about the same comic? The one where Galactus destroyed the main planet of the Skrullian Empire?

the point is, it took an entire galaxy to start a single celestials life. thats just to start it...

And my point was that it took an entire, DEAD galaxy to start a Celestial's life. There might be more life force in a single planet, and when Galactus consumes a planet his powers are not augmented to their maximum capasities. Galactus eats for survival, not to reach his maximum capasity, that's why we haven't seen his full power (and that might be the reason why Tyrant attacked Galactus, just a speculation though).

Sorry to stop this quickly, but I have to go. I'll post more tomorrow. It has been a nice debate so far, let our match continue tomorrow. See ya.

doesnt matter... galctus if fed the energy off of one planet with the "anti life" equation, would nearly kill him. it doesnt matter how you look at it. its galaxies are bigger than planets, its celestials then galactus.

Originally posted by KillAll
doesnt matter... galctus if fed the energy off of one planet with the "anti life" equation, would nearly kill him. it doesnt matter how you look at it. its galaxies are bigger than planets, its celestials then galactus.

Not according to Earth X where Galactus is clearly shown to be above the Celestials. The Watcher has stated that a fully powered Galactus can destroy the universe. Galactus when at full power is on par with upper level cosmics like Death and Eternity, who are above the Celestials. Galactus's power does indeed vary but at his more powerful levels he's above the Celestials.

A lot of guys confuse the purpose and power of a character like Galactus and therefore they do the same with others like Tyrant. Galactus has a power of destruction that is nearly unstoppable while beings like the Celestials have a great number of on panel feats that are clearly beyond that of Galactus. Galactus is to inconsistent but whoever don't like this fact has to blame Marvel not us. Galactus was challenged by numerous so called inferior beings in the past while the Celestials ALWAYS easily owned they all. Galactus can destroy the universe. Great. But George Bush also can destroy the earth several times and he still is an idiot cowboy-like stupid ass! The Celestials however already created universes or at least sustained it. Ashema turn Thor into a frog Galactus was devastated by a nuke, and challenged by inferior beings like F4. I hardly believe Galactus would be able to create a universe like Franklin Richards did.

The thing most of Galactus' losses come when attacking what planet oh yeah EARTH.It's not like he can really win those fights now can he?So a celestial is made from a galaxy Galactus was made from a UNIVERSE.Last time I checked universe>>>>>>>>>>galaxy.

i tend to believe the watcher if he says galactus can destroy the universe not once but ten times over at full power thats like an uber abstract can even abraxas do that nope he needed the ultimate nullifier and in another universe that made contact with 616 galactus was indeed able to eat the celestial homeworld and in another comic the celestials whom you call so high a high tear celestial was eaten by galactus it was the dreaming celestial that celestial who knew the limits of his other fellow celestials was indeed going to have galactus eat the celestial homeworld and then the universe by manipulationg his hunger i believe.

its still alternate realities that you are relying on, thats your downfall.

Originally posted by Darth_Erebus
I'm not so sure. Full powered Tyrant is on par with Galactus which means he's equal or above the Celestials. The Sky fathers could do NOTHING to the Celestials and I bet they won't fare much better against Tyrant.

Thor has sent Galactus scurrying and Odin has defeated Infinity single-handedly and restored space and time, both feats that are beyond Galactus. Celestials, on the other hand, can also control space and time. Galactus has never been shown to do anything other than simple physical damage or energy attacks.

There is mystical power and cosmic power. The gods are mystical powers which is an entirely different realm of existence and have different properties.

Originally posted by Darth_Erebus
Not according to Earth X where Galactus is clearly shown to be above the Celestials. The Watcher has stated that a fully powered Galactus can destroy the universe. Galactus when at full power is on par with upper level cosmics like Death and Eternity, who are above the Celestials. Galactus's power does indeed vary but at his more powerful levels he's above the Celestials.

In ultimates, Thor is a hippy with no powers. Doesnt say anything does it? These alternate story lines are just that. They dont flow over into the regular marvel universe. Kind of like the what ifs and crossovers as well. Otherwise we should feel batman has a better chance of taking down the hulk than the thing.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
In ultimates, Thor is a hippy with no powers. Doesnt say anything does it? These alternate story lines are just that. They dont flow over into the regular marvel universe. Kind of like the what ifs and crossovers as well. Otherwise we should feel batman has a better chance of taking down the hulk than the thing.

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Originally posted by Darth_Erebus
Morg and Surfer cannot challenge full powered Tyrant. In SS #82 The combined power of Silver Surfer, Beta Ray Bill, Gladiator, Morg, Terrax, and Ganymede could do absolutely [B]NOTHING to Tyrant, I mean they couldn't even faze him. Only the intervention of Galactus saved them.

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Hey didnt Tyrant get hurt at one point in the battle. Wasnt the fact that Terrax and Morg were fighting each other instead of helping slightly **** up thier chances. If Morg and Terrax joined the battle they could have given him beating but not neccesarily won.

Also none of those guys are as powerful as any skyfathers.....oh this thread is ancient.

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