Originally posted by Utrigita
Sorry to break it to you but not a chance, you see most of the power believed to be posessed by the Celestial is generally Speculation (From my Point of view)
I always respect ur passion for Galactus 🙂
Lets not forget what a Celestial or Celestials can do. Odin was 'omnipotent'. He is a wondrous and powerful Skyfather. Most powerful person in Asgard. Until he met Celestials
When Kirby created the Celestials, they would surpass beings like the Watchers and Galactus
Originally posted by basilisk
Galactus always suffered from the bad luck of appearing early on in the Marvel history. Back then he was portrayed as being unstoppable and more powerful than almost anyone. But over the years other writers wanted to come up with bigger and bigger threats and feats and suddenly Galactus didn't seem so powerful any more. He was portrayed as just a big super strong guy with energy blasts and a big spaceship, reduced to having trouble fighting the human torch in an old amusement park. He couldn't stop Ego, got chased off screaming by a hammer blast from Thor, was beaten by Phoenix, knocked out cold by Beyonder, wrecked by the Wraithworld, stymied by Strange's magic, trashed by a handful of earth superheroes only two of whom had any real power, mauled by Tyrant, and so on. For a while it seemed rare to see him beat anyone.The Celestials on the other hand managed to retain some of the awe for longer. The ease with which they dealt with the combined power of the skyfathers made Galactus's trouble with Thor and other superheroes look sad. One simple wave of a hand would deal with any level of threat it seemed. They didn't even bother conversing with the heroes, so insignificant were they. Sometimes someone powerful might crack their armour or their shields, but then they seemed to hardly notice anyway. They were never crushed in defeat, laid out cold, or chased away by anyone. Skyfather level magic was just a curiosity. Nothing really seemed to phase them. It's only my opinion, but it always made me think of the Celestials as well above even Galactus (although I'm sure I saw some reference in a Marvel comic once that basically said as much).
Non-canon alternate realities aside, esp earth-x where the universe is greatly different, both Galactus and the Celestials have had some low points (I would ignore DeFalco's often ludicrous later FF's for example), but Galactus's seemed to be far more common and far worse.
I agree the whole Eternity-Galactus-Death triangle as introduced into the MU changed things again somewhat, but the fact is we never SEE a full-powered Galactus and can't gauge him properly because he has no canon feats. It's all pointless speculation. Likewise FP Tyrant, who while incredibly powerful, must be considered as below Galactus. And based on Galactus's actual feats I think the team, with the magic and sheer power of seven Skyfather-and-higher level beings, has a decent shot at this.
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Last point, the final battle with Galactus and Tyrant. Tyrant has the upper hand. If Morg doesn't arrive, teh Big G is toast
What's with this ****, Gravity fed him. Another bad showing for Galan
IMO, Galactus will always be a force. One of the most powerful beings made by Marvel. Its a shame, low showings have made teh Big G a 'jobber'.
Guy doesn't see him as that
Originally posted by Utrigita
Could destroy Galaxies, The Odin that faced the celestials could do shit and I assume that all The skyfathers that are being used are the currently versions It would be Tyrant FP winning. The only real problems I can see is Gaea and RKT.
A question
Originally posted by Alfheim
Hey didnt Tyrant get hurt at one point in the battle. Wasnt the fact that Terrax and Morg were fighting each other instead of helping slightly **** up thier chances. If Morg and Terrax joined the battle they could have given him beating but not neccesarily won.Also none of those guys are as powerful as any skyfathers.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Hey didnt Tyrant get hurt at one point in the battle. Wasnt the fact that Terrax and Morg were fighting each other instead of helping slightly **** up thier chances. If Morg and Terrax joined the battle they could have given him beating but not neccesarily won.
It's very unlikely that Terrax and Morg would have helped. Tyrant took 4 shots from SS without blocking and it did nothing. BRB's hammer also bounced off Tyrant with no effect. The only thing that hurt him was Ganymede's shot to the back of the head, and he recovered from that in the next panel.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Also none of those guys are as powerful as any skyfathers
True, but that was depowered Tyrant. No skyfather is as powerful as full-powered Tyrant.
Originally posted by basilisk
Galactus always suffered from the bad luck of appearing early on in the Marvel history. Back then he was portrayed as being unstoppable and more powerful than almost anyone. But over the years other writers wanted to come up with bigger and bigger threats and feats and suddenly Galactus didn't seem so powerful any more. He was portrayed as just a big super strong guy with energy blasts and a big spaceship, reduced to having trouble fighting the human torch in an old amusement park. He couldn't stop Ego, got chased off screaming by a hammer blast from Thor, was beaten by Phoenix, knocked out cold by Beyonder, wrecked by the Wraithworld, stymied by Strange's magic, trashed by a handful of earth superheroes only two of whom had any real power, mauled by Tyrant, and so on. For a while it seemed rare to see him beat anyone.The Celestials on the other hand managed to retain some of the awe for longer. The ease with which they dealt with the combined power of the skyfathers made Galactus's trouble with Thor and other superheroes look sad. One simple wave of a hand would deal with any level of threat it seemed. They didn't even bother conversing with the heroes, so insignificant were they. Sometimes someone powerful might crack their armour or their shields, but then they seemed to hardly notice anyway. They were never crushed in defeat, laid out cold, or chased away by anyone. Skyfather level magic was just a curiosity. Nothing really seemed to phase them. It's only my opinion, but it always made me think of the Celestials as well above even Galactus (although I'm sure I saw some reference in a Marvel comic once that basically said as much).
Non-canon alternate realities aside, esp earth-x where the universe is greatly different, both Galactus and the Celestials have had some low points (I would ignore DeFalco's often ludicrous later FF's for example), but Galactus's seemed to be far more common and far worse.
I agree the whole Eternity-Galactus-Death triangle as introduced into the MU changed things again somewhat, but the fact is we never SEE a full-powered Galactus and can't gauge him properly because he has no canon feats. It's all pointless speculation. Likewise FP Tyrant, who while incredibly powerful, must be considered as below Galactus. And based on Galactus's actual feats I think the team, with the magic and sheer power of seven Skyfather-and-higher level beings, has a decent shot at this.
Its true that Galactus is regular being used as a punching bag and the typical bad guy that the heroes have to defeat while on the other hand we have the great and powerful Celestials with practically no low showings in the 616 time line. Never the less I have also seen Galactus as being more powerful then any single celestial and it can IMO wary from 1-10 celestials that he would be capable of destroying. Why? Its fairly simple Galactus has the most bad showings but he sure as hell also has more high showings then any of the celestials have, Most of the power level of the celestials are pure speculation (sorry guy no offense 🙂 ) I have yet to see some real power showings by the celestials, like destroying three at least three star systems at will and vaporize multiply Galaxies in a fight, so see them have a battle that shacked that was felt in other universes. I cannot understand that People would put them above Galactus when Exitar had to wait eons to gather the energy needed to destroy the Watchers that was all located on the same planet while he have Galactus while severely weak on two occasions owning the watcher. I could go on and on but I think I have stated my point, in regarding to Galactus.
Again Tyrant FP for the win.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
It's very unlikely that Terrax and Morg would have helped. Tyrant took 4 shots from SS without blocking and it did nothing. BRB's hammer also bounced off Tyrant with no effect. The only thing that hurt him was Ganymede's shot to the back of the head, and he recovered from that in the next panel.True, but that was depowered Tyrant. No skyfather is as powerful as full-powered Tyrant.
Well back in the good old days in skyfathers would have won but today ... not a chance.
Originally posted by guy222
I always respect ur passion for Galactus 🙂Lets not forget what a Celestial or Celestials can do. Odin was 'omnipotent'. He is a wondrous and powerful Skyfather. Most powerful person in Asgard. Until he met Celestials
When Kirby created the Celestials, they would surpass beings like the Watchers and Galactus
I respect you passion for the celestials as well.
Yes but omnipotente is a big factor in Marvel nearly every Character from Skyfathers and up are said to be omnipotente.
Perhaps but when Kirby created Galactus he was Supposed to be the one of the mightiest beings in marvel that has changed. If one asked Kirby I believe he would put Galactus above a Celestial.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
Oh I agree. Silver Age Odin was the man. He rocked the multiverse with his power. That version would take Tyrant easily.
Thats the one I'm talking about, he would also give Galactus a hell of a fight and the celestials one too, but again current Odin isn't that badass, as his previously version.
Originally posted by Utrigita
I respect you passion for the celestials as well.Yes but omnipotente is a big factor in Marvel nearly every Character from Skyfathers and up are said to be omnipotente.
Perhaps but when Kirby created Galactus he was Supposed to be the one of the mightiest beings in marvel that has changed. If one asked Kirby I believe he would put Galactus above a Celestial.
Have a good tomorrow 🙂
Originally posted by Utrigita
Its true that Galactus is regular being used as a punching bag and the typical bad guy that the heroes have to defeat while on the other hand we have the great and powerful Celestials with practically no low showings in the 616 time line. Never the less I have also seen Galactus as being more powerful then any single celestial and it can IMO wary from 1-10 celestials that he would be capable of destroying. Why? Its fairly simple Galactus has the most bad showings but he sure as hell also has more high showings then any of the celestials have, Most of the power level of the celestials are pure speculation (sorry guy no offense 🙂 ) I have yet to see some real power showings by the celestials, like destroying three at least three star systems at will and vaporize multiply Galaxies in a fight, so see them have a battle that shacked that was felt in other universes. I cannot understand that People would put them above Galactus when Exitar had to wait eons to gather the energy needed to destroy the Watchers that was all located on the same planet while he have Galactus while severely weak on two occasions owning the watcher. I could go on and on but I think I have stated my point, in regarding to Galactus.Again Tyrant FP for the win.
You are right, Galactus has some good showings (I'm trying to think what would be considered his best showings, in canon and actually seen), but things like destroying galaxies always seems to be off-panel hyperbole which makes it hard to judge. For the Celestials the way they dealt with the combined power of the Skyfathers, like it was less than an annoyance, was a very high on-panel showing. Wiping out the black galaxy, completely ignoring most superhero attacks, and tossing whole planets like nothing were others.
Again just my own opinion, but I just ignore a lot of later Defalco Galactus/Celestials/Watcher material. That guy had a way of making the most awesome beings seem mundane and taking the mystery away. After all this was the same writer who had Reed build a gun that punked the LT (and the LT is always in canon).
I know - Galactus beating Mephisto in hell. That was a good one for the big G. I was really hoping he wasn't going to get the Wraithworld treatment again when I read that.
And I'm not saying FP Tyrant would lose, just that team has a decent shot.
Originally posted by Pepito
Although for some reason everyone suddenly thinks that classicmarvel listings are not to be trusted (except when they aid someone's argument), it's the only big profiler with decent stats and it shows that the values i put down are roughly correct. This is also based on exhibited feats and general agreement on the forum. Odin, on his own, created the Destroyer which served as one of Galactus's most powerful heralds with only a weak life-force in it and no cosmic enhancement. Odin has seriosuly powerful magic and he's only part of the team. If Morg and Surfer can challenge Tyrant then the creator of the far more powerful Destroyer should be able to defeat Tyrant with help from his equals (and superior: Gaea)
A celestial one shotted the destroyer to sh#@. What would Tyrant do?
Originally posted by celestialdemon
It's very unlikely that Terrax and Morg would have helped. Tyrant took 4 shots from SS without blocking and it did nothing. BRB's hammer also bounced off Tyrant with no effect. The only thing that hurt him was Ganymede's shot to the back of the head, and he recovered from that in the next panel.True, but that was depowered Tyrant. No skyfather is as powerful as full-powered Tyrant.
SS shot Odin and odin didn't even move, he removed SS from the fight in a split second. I don't see why he couldn't just as easily done that to 4 or 5 herald level beings. I mean if he did it to SS, he should be able to knock out Terrax, Morg, Glads, and Ganymede no prob. They both had problems with Thanos, I know Thanos acknowledges that Tyrant would have won, but still.
I agree that FP Tyrant is stronger than and Skyfather, but this team combined would have enough to take him out. Also, aren't there some energy drainers in the group?
Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
SS shot Odin and odin didn't even move, he removed SS from the fight in a split second. I don't see why he couldn't just as easily done that to 4 or 5 herald level beings. I mean if he did it to SS, he should be able to knock out Terrax, Morg, Glads, and Ganymede no prob. They both had problems with Thanos, I know Thanos acknowledges that Tyrant would have won, but still.
Yeah but Odin was in Asagard, well on rainbow bridge therefore he would be mpre powerful there than he would be if he was in the milky way galaxy for example.
I dont know how powerful Odin would be outside Asagard but I think it would still be more powerful than SS.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah but Odin was in Asagard, well on rainbow bridge therefore he would be mpre powerful there than he would be if he was in the milky way galaxy for example.I dont know how powerful Odin would be outside Asagard but I think it would still be more powerful than SS.
Good point, wasn't even thinking about that.
Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
SS shot Odin and odin didn't even move, he removed SS from the fight in a split second. I don't see why he couldn't just as easily done that to 4 or 5 herald level beings. I mean if he did it to SS, he should be able to knock out Terrax, Morg, Glads, and Ganymede no prob. They both had problems with Thanos, I know Thanos acknowledges that Tyrant would have won, but still.I agree that FP Tyrant is stronger than and Skyfather, but this team combined would have enough to take him out. Also, aren't there some energy drainers in the group?
Don't get me wrong. I'm in the camp that believes Odin can beat depowered Tyrant. However, what's going on here is 4 skyfathers, an Eternal, and an Elder God are taking on a Galactus-level being. I don't see them having enough combined power to do that.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
Don't get me wrong. I'm in the camp that believes Odin can beat depowered Tyrant. However, what's going on here is 4 skyfathers, an Eternal, and an Elder God are taking on a Galactus-level being. I don't see them having enough combined power to do that.
Yeah well considering that Galactus is more powerful than the Celestials and they combined might of the gods couldnt take down the Celestials the Gods should lose to Tyrant.