Doomsday Vs. The Avengers II

Originally posted by The Ion
Stop right there. I just went to Classic Marvel and found listings for such mainstream DC characters as Alchemist, Blok, and Catspaw. 😕

The Fury last appeared in a late 2004 Uncanny X-Men arc and at Marvel it doesn't get more mainstream than Uncanny X-Men. However I would say mainstream is a character that anyone, not just comic fans, could tell you about and theres only a handful of them.

If classicmarvel doesn't list an extremely powerful and unique character then it is probably not as well-known as Doomsday. The fact that evryone said who's The Fury and that the thread is not evengers vs fury kind of gives you a clue. Plus Fury could be and was decommissioned and appeared in an alternate universe and so (coming back to the main point, that dc was stupid to make an unkillable and adapting character AND make him important and basically irremoveable, which you haven't really challenged) marvel writers have not created a Doomsday like character who has to come back, dc writers are stuck with him unless they decide on another huge retcon.

Originally posted by Comicbook_kid
After dismanteling the first team of Avengers line-up, (see previous entry), it's time to call in some serious reinforcements...the second wave of Avengers show up and find a very angry Doomsday standing in the middle of their fallen comrades....and Doomsday is re-energized and fresh as a spring daisy...the new lineup is as follows...

1. Thor
2. Sersi
3. Sub-mariner (fresh out of water)
4. Hercules
5. Sentry
6. Quasar
7. Hulk (grey-skinned version)
8. Dr. Druid
9. War-Machine
10. Luke Cage

Will Doomsday finally go down with this second wave of powerful Avengers facing him???

thor or hercules alone would give him problems, as a team doomsday would get recked.

Originally posted by Pepito
If classicmarvel doesn't list an extremely powerful and unique character then it is probably not as well-known as Doomsday.

Originally posted by Pepito
The fact that evryone said who's The Fury and that the thread is not evengers vs fury kind of gives you a clue.

Originally posted by Pepito
Plus Fury could be and was decommissioned and appeared in an alternate universe and so (coming back to the main point, that dc was stupid to make an unkillable and adapting character AND make him important and basically irremoveable, which you haven't really challenged) marvel writers have not created a Doomsday like character who has to come back, dc writers are stuck with him unless they decide on another huge retcon.

Plus, how are they stuck with him? There's no part in any story or main point in any Superman comic that says Doomsday has to appear every so often. Let's look at Doomsday's storylines since his introduction.

Death of Superman - 1992
Hunter/Prey - 1994
Doomsday Wars - 1998

Doomsday Appearances

Our Worlds At War - 2001
Gog Wars - 2005

Wow, 5 whole storylines in 15 years. It's pretty clear this uber elite, popular, mainstream DC juggernaut is just hopping all over the DCU. Poor Geoff Johns, Grant Morrison and Kurt Busiek are going to have to write this obvious DC mainstay in all their Superman stories in 2006.

none of the guys that are in the avengers would give Doomsday a problem less they have magic or stuff like that or they can teleport him away.

Originally posted by spideycarnage
thor or hercules alone would give him problems, as a team doomsday would get recked.

The same Doomsday that deafeated the league with Orion, Wonderwoman, Martian Manhunter, Kyle Rayner, Plastic Man, Flash and Steel? 😆

Originally posted by The Ion
True there isn't enough shown but I would think spending a century casually putting down countless Superman level individuals would put him safely beyond herald level. Not to mention how he was wading through all those Imperiex probes when Superman was struggling with one. Doomsday is seriously incredible the more you think about him.

He's actually one person I could buy being 100x better than Superman/Thor. 😖hifty:

😂

you may well be right. he did have the superman corps with him when he was fighting the gogs, though. not that it diminishes what he did really.

i think the ultimate would beat these guys, but sentry is still a slight unknown and may prove well above herald himself. also i'm not sure how he'd fare if he were ported into the sun, or a black hole. hence my small reservations. the team is powerful and versatile. they may have a way to trap or remove him. purely physical contest? i think dd would beat them.

This Avengers team wins.

Originally posted by olympian
This Avengers team wins.

Why?

Because i said so.

And because its too much raw power to handle.

Originally posted by olympian
Because i said so.

And because its too much raw power to handle.

that's the thing -- what do they have to offer that hasn't already been done -- even more -- to dd? strength? 100's of supes level beings. power? omega effect. imperiex. even the aegis armor.

they may be able to transport him away, and i'm not sure how he could get back, but if they fought him power for power to a ko, i don't see how they do it.

Sersi will amp herself to unknow levels, Thor powers are greater than superman and wonder woman, Sentry is on par with a Silver Surfer in power. Avengers have more raw power than the JLA that fought doomsday, Avengers win 8/10

Thors versability even in concussive blasts its huge. Quasar cosmically speaking its a huge beast. Sersi its another.

I honestly belive the Jla that fought him for example falls a bit short. They dont have an equivelent for Thor or a Sersi in theyr team. Add Sentry whose powerlevels while not exactly static are for what has been shown so far above the herald level (of course if we use statements its higher, but lets concead) and you have quite the different and versatible cosmic roast.

This is not just a Green Lantern and a Superman being the major guns. Its Quasar that has crazy consistence feats while Kyle 80% of the times acted as a rookie.

Its Thor who is more powerful than Superman, alot more versatible, magic and as strong.

Its Sentry who is also top dog so far, either in strenght and power.

Its Hercules as equally strong, skilled and durable.

Its Sersi that beats in power practically the rest of the Jla line up that has gone against Doomsday. Let it be MM, AQ, WW, Atom, Orion without the Ale, Batman, Flash.

And you still have others to buy time.

Now, for Doomsday not to feel bad, ill concead that Luke Cage will die.

Originally posted by The Ion
So? Classic Marvel also lists Blok and Catspaw as supposedly well known characters. I'm a DC fan and I couldn't tell you squat about who they are. That's the first I've heard of them. Let's make a Captain America Vs Catspaw thread and watch as it either A)Gets no replies or B)Watch as everyone asks who Catspaw is.
Brainchild now classifies as everyone? Outavodka says he remembers him so I guess everyone knows who The Fury is? You have just as much support as I do. Doomsday was left at the end of time and floating in space. The Fury got shutdown by Marvel Girl (Rachel) and he he grew another CPU (lol) so they tossed him a black hole. Guess he's floating in space too, ready to come back whenever the writer wants him too.

Plus, how are they stuck with him? There's no part in any story or main point in any Superman comic that says Doomsday has to appear every so often. Let's look at Doomsday's storylines since his introduction.

Death of Superman - 1992
Hunter/Prey - 1994
Doomsday Wars - 1998

Doomsday Appearances

Our Worlds At War - 2001
Gog Wars - 2005

Wow, 5 whole storylines in 15 years. It's pretty clear this uber elite, popular, mainstream DC juggernaut is just hopping all over the DCU. Poor Geoff Johns, Grant Morrison and Kurt Busiek are going to have to write this obvious DC mainstay in all their Superman stories in 2006.

No offence (actually a lot of offence), but your sarcastic rants aren't nearly as funny as you seem to assume. Doomsday is a major Superman enemy and if he is not definitely dead, he'll return in some form or another. You have to agree that Doomsday is more well-known than Fury.

Originally posted by Pepito
No offence (actually a lot of offence), but your sarcastic rants aren't nearly as funny as you seem to assume. Doomsday is a major Superman enemy and if he is not definitely dead, he'll return in some form or another. You have to agree that Doomsday is more well-known than Fury.

Doomsday isn't dead and neither is Fury. Regardless of how well known he is by comic book fans, that doesn't change the fact that he's a rip off. Hulk is a rip off of Solomon Grundy. You can't argue the other way around because Hulk is more well known than Grundy.

I just found it ridiculous you claim DC is stuck with a character who's made 5 appearances in a 15 year time span.

whos is Fury that your all talking about?

Originally posted by The Ion
I'm not trying to be funny and no offense taken. 😉

Doomsday isn't dead and neither is Fury. Regardless of how well known he is by comic book fans, that doesn't change the fact that he's a rip off. Hulk is a rip off of Solomon Grundy. You can't argue the other way around because Hulk is more well known than Grundy.

I just found it ridiculous you claim DC is stuck with a character who's made 5 appearances in a 15 year time span.

I've always thought The Hulk was more of a rip-off of Dr. Jeckle and Mr. Hyde.

Originally posted by TheKahn
I've always thought The Hulk was more of a rip-off of Dr. Jeckle and Mr. Hyde.

And by quite a difference of years.

Originally posted by The Ion
I'm not trying to be funny and no offense taken. 😉

Doomsday isn't dead and neither is Fury. Regardless of how well known he is by comic book fans, that doesn't change the fact that he's a rip off. Hulk is a rip off of Solomon Grundy. You can't argue the other way around because Hulk is more well known than Grundy.

I just found it ridiculous you claim DC is stuck with a character who's made 5 appearances in a 15 year time span.

I agree he's a rip off. Any unkillable non-cosmic character is a stupid idea but dc made Doomsday important (if not highly used) and so he can't just be discarded and cannot be killed either. Doomsday is like The Jackal from Spiderman in that he doesn't make a lot of appearances but is still a major character. Doomsday has to be put in at some point because he has nothing to lose and a lot of immunity to gain by attacking a dc hero.

They might have stolen the look for the early hulk (IIRC he was the grey hulk to start with and transformed at night) from Grundy but wasn't the personalility like a dark version of Banner?