Originally posted by Diunic
Leonidas if you read the Thanos/Warlock/Hunger saga you will see why they're beyond JLA. Ziran created them why would I lie about that?
of course they were created by the celestials. but that proves . . . what, exactly? i was created by god (save the religious debates, let's just go with it for a moment) but that doesn't mean i'm beyond the jla. ss was able to battle a number of celestials at once. many of them vary in power from low to higher. doesn't matter at all who made them. celestials were also responsible for the deviants, but the deviants aren't powerful.
and that bit about the celestials was established WAAAYYYYYYY before the arc you're referencing, and was first mentioned in the eternals series in the 1970's, before you were born -- likely WELL before . . .
Originally posted by Diunic
Never said that. And you know I didn't and never would.
but it could be implied -- even the lowliest are based on olympians, right? and you're point is they are olympian offshoots so therefore they must be greater than the jla'ers.
problem is, superman is greater than any olympian (in marvel) save zeus (maybe pluto in hell) and any asgardian (save MAYBE thor or perhaps hela in hel), so the whole based on olympians argument isn't necessarily a good one. in dc ares is perhaps more powerful than supes, but again, supes is more powerful than almost all of them. gl too, most likely and flash could beat a lot of them as well.
just because they are gods doesn't mean they are invincible, and off-shoots of gods even less so.