Grace

Definition: Unmerited favor.

People usually talk about "Grace" within the realms of religion and God.

Though within quantum physics and M-theory and also String theory, science is suggesting that all things are "One." One big entity, one mind composed with many smaller minds (us) perhaps. We affect each other, we give and take away. The combination of the time and space related aspects of waveforms or vibrations are what molds our four dimensional reality of the time/space continuum and all things in it.

Your thoughts and your desires are waveforms. Your beliefs are waveforms. Passing thoughts and casual desires are mutable waveforms. Clear consistent thought patterns and constant fervent desires are solutions. Opinions are mutable waveforms. Core beliefs are solutions.

Mutable waveforms adapt to preexisting circumstances and conditions. solutions pass through circumstances and conditions unchanged in themselves and effect change on the environment they pass through.

That means that if you take control of your thoughts, desires and beliefs in order to bring about a consistency and harmony to them, you will be able to create effects rather than be an effect. You can learn to be causal rather than merely effectual. You can learn to be creator instead of mere creature. An imaginaton is a basic wave/particle of mind-a thought; just as a graviton is a basic wave/particle of gravity and a photon is a basic wave/particle of light.

With this view, we are always getting "Grace". From one place or another, unmerited favor. It's not something that god gives to you to save you from hell, but something we give to each other and pull to ourselves. "Law of Attraction"...It works with the Macro and Micro in all things.....When you get that coincidence, that special word when you need it. It's really grace. Just as with New Orleans, the people couldn't count on their government, but could on their neighbor...That was grace given.........Your thoughts pull to you what you desire. As Jesus said, All things are possible if you believe and if you have the belief of a mustard seed, you can move a mountain.

What's your view of Grace??

Nobody like me thread...crybaby

I put some thought into it ya know.......

Someone could at least comment on it.....

Well I haven't read it yet,but I'll reply just for the hell of it.

Originally posted by mr.smiley
Well I haven't read it yet,but I'll reply just for the hell of it.

Very good! 😎 There are a lot of things we agree on.

See we are in a since god!!!!..........because we are the creators... 😉

Originally posted by debbiejo
See we are in a since god!!!!..........because we are the creators... 😉

But we are also the destroyers. Good and evil are two aspects of the true nature of all temporal things. Everything around you is in the process of coming into being or fading away. However, there is one thing that does not change. It is kind of like the backdrop on which the universe is projected. This backdrop is the nothingness that is something. It can only be described in terms of contradictions or paradoxes. I call it nothingness because I have no better term. It could be called many things, but regardless of how it is addressed, it cannot be understood from our point of view, so, inherently all descriptions are wrong. It is called the mystic law.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But we are also the destroyers. Good and evil are two aspects of the true nature of all temporal things. Everything around you is in the process of coming into being or fading away. However, there is one thing that does not change. It is kind of like the backdrop on which the universe is projected. This backdrop is the nothingness that is something. It can only be described in terms of contradictions or paradoxes. I call it nothingness because I have no better term. It could be called many things, but regardless of how it is addressed, it cannot be understood from our point of view, so, inherently all descriptions are wrong. It is called the mystic law.

grace >noun 1 elegance of movement. 2 courteous good will: she had the grace to look sheepish. 3 (graces) attractive qualities or behavior: a horrible character with no saving graces. 4 (in Christian belief) the free and unearned favor of God. 5 a person's favor. 6 a period officially allowed for fulfillment of an obligation. 7 a short prayer of thanks said before or after a meal. 8 (His, Her, or Your Grace) used as forms of description or address for a duke, duchess, or archbishop. >verb 1 lend honor to by one's presence. 2 be an attractive presence in or on.

That's a list of possible definitions. But, you can draw your attention to number 4, and that's the one that best fits my view on the word.

Originally posted by debbiejo
I agree we are also the destroyers as well...With creating you can create what ever that desire is...whether positive or negative...If you get enough of the world thinking and drawing in the negative, then the outcome will be just that. Same goes with the positive...Like I said Macro and Micro.......and yeah, I believe there will always be paradoxes because we can only view reality from our limited perceptions.

My Buddhist practice uses chanting as a way of finding clarity. Even if everyone was enlightened to the reality that you mention above, what they actually receive from the universe is filtered by our beliefs. Beliefs can blind us to possibilities that are before us. All myths try to clear the delusions of everyday life for before our eyes. It is the only way to look at something that you cannot understand.

....my first trip to this forum in forever and your first post in this thread was the first thing I read djoe. A welcome and eloquent respite. Thank you.

I don't know enough to intelligently respond to the thoughts within it, but it certainly doesn't seem at odds with much of what I believe.

Originally posted by MicahLynn
(in Christian belief) the free and unearned favor of God.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
[B]....my first trip to this forum in forever and your first post in this thread was the first thing I read djoe. A welcome and eloquent respite. Thank you.

😊

Originally posted by debbiejo
Why with all the scientific evidence would it be only Christian may I ask?

😊

My answer to that question might offend you, but I'll answer it any way: possibly because the Christian faith is the only right one. I don't really understand what you mean by scientific evidence. When it comes to faith, it doesn't have to be proven scientifically because it isn't a science. However, I'm positive that it could be, it just isn't necessary.

Originally posted by MicahLynn
My answer to that question might offend you, but I'll answer it any way: possibly because the Christian faith is the only right one. I don't really understand what you mean by scientific evidence. When it comes to faith, it doesn't have to be proven scientifically because it isn't a science. However, I'm positive that it could be, it just isn't necessary.

How do you know that your Christian faith is the right one?

What is the "the right one" mean to you?

If a Muslim believes the he/she is part of "the right one" what does that say about you?

How do you know that the grace you have isn't "the wrong grace"?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
How do you know that your Christian faith is the right one?

What is the "the right one" mean to you?

If a Muslim believes the he/she is part of "the right one" what does that say about you?

How do you know that the grace you have isn't "the wrong grace"?

I know because I know. I don't doubt it at all. No part of me doubts it, and no part of me ever will, no matter how many times you try to make me question it. I have FAITH in God and all that He has done for me in amazing! Why would I doubt someone so perfect and loving and holy? The grace of Jesus Christ is the only grace that truly saves. No one comes to the Father except through Him. I don't deserve it, but I have the only right grace. And, I'll never doubt it.

Originally posted by MicahLynn
I know because I know. I don't doubt it at all. No part of me doubts it, and no part of me ever will, no matter how many times you try to make me question it. I have FAITH in God and all that He has done for me in amazing! Why would I doubt someone so perfect and loving and holy? The grace of Jesus Christ is the only grace that truly saves. No one comes to the Father except through Him. I don't deserve it, but I have the only right grace. And, I'll never doubt it.

You can believe that you are a butterfly and you can believe it with amazing faith, but it will not make you a butterfly.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You can believe that you are a butterfly and you can believe it with amazing faith, but it will not make you a butterfly.

Why do you doubt everything and turn it around to make me look like an idiot. It's not like I'm trying to say I'm a butterfly or anything as unbelievable as that. I'm saying that I am a sinner that didn't deserve to be forgiven but that my God loved me enough to send His Son to die for me and take my place. It might seem unbelievable to you, but that's just because it is so amazing. There's a song sung in many churches today that says, "Amazing love, how can it be that my King would die for me? Amazing love, I know it's true. It's my joy to honor you. In all I do, I'll honor You." I'm believing in His Amazing Love with Amazing Faith because it truly is something amazing to believe.

Originally posted by MicahLynn
Why do you doubt everything and turn it around to make me look like an idiot. It's not like I'm trying to say I'm a butterfly or anything as unbelievable as that. I'm saying that I am a sinner that didn't deserve to be forgiven but that my God loved me enough to send His Son to die for me and take my place. It might seem unbelievable to you, but that's just because it is so amazing. There's a song sung in many churches today that says, "Amazing love, how can it be that my King would die for me? Amazing love, I know it's true. It's my joy to honor you. In all I do, I'll honor You." I'm believing in His Amazing Love with Amazing Faith because it truly is something amazing to believe.

I am not trying to make you look like an idiot, but you believe in supernatural things that by themselves lead to suffering and hell. All myths have their reason and you are enjoying the benefits of your myth. But you are blind to the judgments you are making on other people, that is why I say anything at all.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I am not trying to make you look like an idiot, but you believe in supernatural things that by themselves lead to suffering and hell. All myths have their reason and you are enjoying the benefits of your myth. But you are blind to the judgments you are making on other people, that is why I say anything at all.

The God I believe in does not lead to suffering and hell. In fact, He leads to the exact opposite of that. Not believing in Him and refusing to accept His grace, does lead to those things... which is something I don't like. That's why I say anything at all. It isn't a matter of judgment, it's a matter of truly caring for people and there eternal security and well-being. Heaven doesn't forbid that I care... it's because of God and heaven that I do.

Originally posted by MicahLynn
The God I believe in does not lead to suffering and hell. In fact, He leads to the exact opposite of that. Not believing in Him and refusing to accept His grace, does lead to those things... which is something I don't like. That's why I say anything at all. It isn't a matter of judgment, it's a matter of truly caring for people and there eternal security and well-being. Heaven doesn't forbid that I care... it's because of God and heaven that I do.

Lets see, what did I say…

but you believe in supernatural things that by themselves lead to suffering and hell.

Notice I said "by themselves"; I'm not talking about God, I'm talking about the Christian mythology that you believe in. I know for a fact that Christianity leads to suffering, according to the church I was raised in you were supposed to suffer in this life. Everything was focused on suffering, and they made you feel guilty if you have any fun. By telling you that Jesus suffered for you.

MicahLynn don't you believe you can be a butterfly????
😂 Jesus said you could if you have enough faith....