impeachment

So as i've made obvious in the past few months, I am a steadfast supporter for the immediate impeachment of George W. Bush. I've decided to list the charges against him and his administration as proposed by Ramsey Clarke with a few added myself and was wondering if anyone agrees with these:

* Fabrication of evidence regarding Iraq's threat to the United States in the run-up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, specifically, that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction;
* Violation of various sections of the United States Constitution and Universal Declaration of Human Rights;
* Committing crimes relating to "bribery and coercion of individuals and governments;"
* Concealing "information vital to public discussion and informed judgment;"
* Being responsible for assassinations, torture, and indefinite detentions such as the Camp X-Ray, Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse, Bagram torture and prisoner abuse, desecration of the Qur'an at Guantánamo Bay and other such matters including the persecution of U.S. and non-U.S. Muslims.
* Violating the First Amendment to the United States Constitution on numerous occasions by taking prohibitive measures on protests and marches by citizens of the United States.
*Violation of the posse commitatus statute in the form of using US military power against US civilians and conducting psyops against the citizens of the United States
*Using banned chemical weapons in warfare
*Conspiracy to subvert the legislative and judicial branch
*Conspiracy to arrest, detain, or murder dissedent civilians and journalists
*Willful failure to prevent an attack on the United States
*Conspiring and trading with enemies of the United States
*Conspiracy to violate the fourth ammendment through TIA (which still exists within the NSA)
*Conspiracy to initiate martial law under false pretense
*Willfull sabotage of intelligence programs designed to maintain the security of the United States (vallerie plame, Jeff Gannon)
*Bribery and profiteering in time of war
*Willfull and reckless endangerment of the United States military
*Obstruction of Justice

...but he didnt get a blowjob from his intern, so there is no case i'm afraid.

The congress does not need any reason to impeach a president; all they need is a vote. It is a political thing, not having anything to do with justice.

Err, I pretty much agree with NONE of them.

Calls for things like Impeachment proceedings show a total lack of common sense. The point at which you take disagreement with a regime anbd then turn it into a reason to distort truth into a total fabrication of anything that would even, a tiny tiny bit, move towards Impeachment proceedings is the point where you have left reason behind.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Err, I pretty much agree with NONE of them.

Calls for things like Impeachment proceedings show a total lack of common sense. The point at which you take disagreement with a regime anbd then turn it into a reason to distort truth into a total fabrication of anything that would even, a tiny tiny bit, move towards Impeachment proceedings is the point where you have left reason behind.

so its all a fabrication because you said so?

No, they are fabrications because they are bollocks and/or unprovable.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
No, they are fabrications because they are bollocks and/or unprovable.

technically not provable.
scooter libby testified under oath that his 'superiors' authorised him to
leak the identity of an undercover and embedded c.i.a. agent to discredit their finding that there was no attempt by huissein to aquire enriched uranium from africa. but he never actually said "cheney" did he? until the administration runs out of the white house with their hands in the air and says "WE GIVE UP!!! WE DID IT!!!!!!" there will be no absolute proof.

same goes for the fixed intelligence for which the leak was approved.

and what of illegal wiretapping? that never happened either?

Originally posted by Darth Jello
So as i've made obvious in the past few months, I am a steadfast supporter for the immediate impeachment of George W. Bush. I've decided to list the charges against him and his administration as proposed by Ramsey Clarke with a few added myself and was wondering if anyone agrees with these:

* Fabrication of evidence regarding Iraq's threat to the United States in the run-up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, specifically, that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction;
* Violation of various sections of the United States Constitution and Universal Declaration of Human Rights;
* Committing crimes relating to "bribery and coercion of individuals and governments;"
* Concealing "information vital to public discussion and informed judgment;"
* Being responsible for assassinations, torture, and indefinite detentions such as the Camp X-Ray, Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse, Bagram torture and prisoner abuse, desecration of the Qur'an at Guantánamo Bay and other such matters including the persecution of U.S. and non-U.S. Muslims.
* Violating the First Amendment to the United States Constitution on numerous occasions by taking prohibitive measures on protests and marches by citizens of the United States.
*Violation of the posse commitatus statute in the form of using US military power against US civilians and conducting psyops against the citizens of the United States
*Using banned chemical weapons in warfare
*Conspiracy to subvert the legislative and judicial branch
*Conspiracy to arrest, detain, or murder dissedent civilians and journalists
*Willful failure to prevent an attack on the United States
*Conspiring and trading with enemies of the United States
*Conspiracy to violate the fourth ammendment through TIA (which still exists within the NSA)
*Conspiracy to initiate martial law under false pretense
*Willfull sabotage of intelligence programs designed to maintain the security of the United States (vallerie plame, Jeff Gannon)
*Bribery and profiteering in time of war
*Willfull and reckless endangerment of the United States military
*Obstruction of Justice

unfortunately impeachment would require evidence as opposed to accusation...please enlighten us...i'm genuinly interested

Originally posted by PVS
technically not provable.
scooter libby testified under oath that his 'superiors' authorised him to
leak the identity of an undercover and embedded c.i.a. agent to discredit their finding that there was no attempt by huissein to aquire enriched uranium from africa. but he never actually said "cheney" did he? until the administration runs out of the white house with their hands in the air and says "WE GIVE UP!!! WE DID IT!!!!!!" there will be no absolute proof.

same goes for the fixed intelligence for which the leak was approved.

and what of illegal wiretapping? that never happened either?

Try and convince me that you could make even the slightest criminal case for any of this to be connected directly to the President. That's what you would need for any such attempt to be anything but a wild fantasy.

For the love of God, that list is saying that the abuse of the Koran at Guantanamo is somehow grounds for impeaching the damn President. It's such total nonsense, it does not deserve any form of genuine consideration. It's just pissing in the wind because the poster dislikes Bush.

A process like impeachment should not be treated so frivolously.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Try and convince me that you could make even the slightest criminal case for any of this to be connected directly to the President. That's what you would need for any such attempt to be anything but a wild fantasy.

convince you that i can somehow indict a higher up in the administration and then scare the shit out them to the point where they would defy their superiors? thats a tall order. and have you asked the question begged? WHO are the superiors libby referred to if not cheney and/or bush? is

Originally posted by Ushgarak
For the love of God, that list is saying that the abuse of the Koran at Guantanamo is somehow grounds for impeaching the damn President.

this i agree with. however a lack of leadership should be addressed, perhaps not on an impeachment level....

Originally posted by Ushgarak
It's such total nonsense, it does not deserve any form of genuine consideration. It's just pissing in the wind because the poster dislikes Bush.[/

A process like impeachment should not be treated so frivolously. [/B]

...but you just ran with that one point and called it all a "pissing in the wind." well i beg to differ, as i stated.

yes, i dislike bush a great deal. but why does that eliminate me from having an opinion based on what i've seen/read/listened to. well, i can just turn around and say you're calling it all rubish because you're irrationally bias for the president. isnt very productive though, is it?

Originally posted by jaden101
unfortunately impeachment would require evidence as opposed to accusation...please enlighten us...i'm genuinly interested

I agree with him... I'm a bit lost on that list... Could you expland on how bush was in the wrong???

I.E.
"*Conspiracy to violate the fourth ammendment through TIA (which still exists within the NSA)"

When are where?

*Using banned chemical weapons in warfare

Which one and on who???

So screwin your interns not okay, yet screwin the nation is 😕

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The congress does not need any reason to impeach a president; all they need is a vote. It is a political thing, not having anything to do with justice.

Actually, that's not true. Impeaching the president means that he is formally charged with a crime by Congress.

I think calling for the impeachment of a sitting president that has control of the house, the judicial branch AND the white house would be a pretty big waste of time.

that will change come november

THERE'S ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO FILL FORT KNOX!!!! that's where the whole "obstruction of justice" thing comes in.

Originally posted by PVS
...but he didnt get a blowjob from his intern, so there is no case i'm afraid.

If Clinton had shared, there wouldn't have been impeachment there, either.

Either that, or just make sure one political party is pretty much the sole power.

I just wish we were in the year 2008 so that we can finally have some peace...not from Bush but from his haters.

If there's even a world at that point.

There will always be a world in the future...along with people that complain about it.