ROTJ Vader vs ROTS Dooku

I'm not sure if Dooku's more then 80% of Sidious, but he's still a FAR better swordsman then mechanical Vader. Suit Vader lost all is finesse, and raw force power too. Although (I have no proof) but I'd think Vader would be powerful enough to block Dooku's force lightning with his hands (remember it doesn't actually touch you). And even if he couldn't, he could at least block the lightning with his saber as Obi-Wan did in ATOC, Vader is definitely more powerful force wise then AOTC Obi-Wan.

If it was a force battle I'd say its 50/50 between the two, it could go either way.

If it was a lightsaber duel, mechanical Vader gets killed 100% of the time. So since the force battle could go either way, but Dooku would always win the saber duel, I'm giving the fight to Dooku.

I really don't see what force powers Vader has on Dooku, even if he could block lightning which we have no prove of Dooku has still shown more powerful feats with the force.

Things that Vader has never matched, perhaps he could have but we didn't see him do it, so that would be a pretty big assumption to make

Yes, but its logical to assume that Vader would at least be close to Dooku in terms of raw force power. He cant do lightning because of his disabilities, otherwise I'm sure he would be able to, even at 80% of Sidious. So feat(s) are not a good indicator of how powerful someone is ALL of the time. Dooku had a more diverse selection of force powers, but that doesn't mean he was more powerful.

Vader being 80% of Sidious is pretty good, seeing as Sid's could pretty much WTFpwn anyone with the force (in the PT) with the exception of Yoda. 80% of the master of the Sith is pretty good in terms of force power. The argument here is: is Dooku 80% of, or more then Sidious? I'd say no he's not MORE then 80% of Sidious, simply because Anakin was supposed to be amazing, seeing as he's the chosen one. I'm not saying Dooku is weaker then 80% of Sidious, I'm just saying that he's prolly not more then 80% of Sidious. Seeing as Yoda pretty well threw Dooku's force attacks aside like nothing, but struggled (with all his might) to stop Sidious's onslaught. Meaning, there is a considerable difference in power between Sidious and Dooku in force prowess. So just by logic, I doubt if Dooku is more then 80% of Sidious in force prowess. At least he and Vader are about equal. Equal enough for it not to matter all that much.

At any rate, Dooku still wins, simply because even if Dooku isn't stronger then Vader force wise, and they are equal, Vader simply cannot beat Dooku in a saber duel.

Dooku wins.

I say Vader. It would be a repeat Anakin vs Dooku in ROTS.

Dooku = Spanish Rapier Fencing

Vader = Samurai Katana Fighting

Dooku's style is better suited for competive sport than a practical combat form. The constant pressure, linear attacks, and superior strength of Djem So would overwhelm Dooku's fancy dancing and wrist-flicking.

How do we know that Doku wasnt faking? I mean he takes out Obi in some seconds and Ani and Obi are euqal.

However we all know that Vader is a slow walking robot. He had trouble standing first time he used his metalic body. I think Dooku is much faster than vader. And he would kill him using his speed.

Makashi is actually the 2nd most effective form of saber to saber combat.

And Obi-Wan is inferior to Anakin. Anakin was overwhelmed by grief during the duel on Mustafar.

Also, the ROTS novel states that Dooku goes all out at the end of the fight (correct me if I'm wrong).

Meh im not sure about that but one more thing:
Look at dookus supriced face (i love it... No i dont... im not gay)

Originally posted by Hello Friend
Makashi is actually the 2nd most effective form of saber to saber combat.

And Obi-Wan is inferior to Anakin. Anakin was overwhelmed by grief during the duel on Mustafar.

Also, the ROTS novel states that Dooku goes all out at the end of the fight (correct me if I'm wrong).

He didn't have much to go on at the end of the fight when Anakin had gone mad and grabbed his arms during the saber lock. Anakin did outmatch Dooku, but it was only this time. Dooku's intention was not to harm Anakin, he could not prevent his death forever, and Anakin surprised him in the end. Any other day, Dooku would pwn him.

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Originally posted by kamikz
He didn't have much to go on at the end of the fight when Anakin had gone mad and grabbed his arms during the saber lock. Anakin did outmatch Dooku, but it was only this time. Dooku's intention was not to harm Anakin, he could not prevent his death forever, and Anakin surprised him in the end. Any other day, Dooku would pwn him.

Yeah, that's probably true. I'm not sure about the "pwn" part, but Dooku was currently the better duelist.

Anyways, here are my saber rankings as of ROTS

Anakin 9/10
Dooku 9.5/10
Yoda 10/10
Sidious 9.5/10
Mace Windu 9.5/10
Obi-Wan 8.5/10
Drallig 8/10

Sound right?

No u did them ur self 😛
10/10 on Yoda?

Dooku simply dominates Vader. Dooku has more experience, force power, lightsabre power, speed and agility than Vader.

Meh, I'd put Dooku as the best duelist of the PT era. He uses a form that requires little energy compared to the rest and is designed for Lightsabre combat.

Fisto was on Drallig's tier, right?

Originally posted by Hello Friend
Yeah, that's probably true. I'm not sure about the "pwn" part, but Dooku was currently the better duelist.

Anyways, here are my saber rankings as of ROTS

Anakin 9/10
Dooku 9.5/10
Yoda 10/10
Sidious 9.5/10
Mace Windu 9.5/10
Obi-Wan 8.5/10
Drallig 8/10

Sound right?

I don't really agree with the list. This is what mine would look like. (Considering this is the PT jedi's skills compared)

Anakin: 8.5
Dooku: 10
Yoda: 10
Sidious: 9
Mace: 9.5 - 10
Obi-Wan: 8 - 8.5

If Anakin and Obi-Wan are so low, then Fisto, Saesee, Drallig, Mundi etc would all score in the 6s, which I feel is a little too low.

Well instead of making the lists 1-10 we should make 1-100. That gives alot more space.

Anakin beat Dooku fair and square. So how is Dooku a 10 with Anakin a 8.5? Unless Anakin is on such higher tier then Dooku in terms of force prowess, which he is not higher then Dooku in terms of force abilities, so how did Anakin win if Dooku was that much better?

Note that Lucas said that Anakin beat Dooku fair and square, Dooku didn't know what was going on so he couldn't have 'thrown' the fight.

Yeah, the list goes more something like this:
Anakin: 9.5
Dooku: 9
Yoda: 10
Sidious: 9
Mace: 9
Obi-Wan: 9
Cin: 8 maybe but it's hard to judge from the 3 second hologram of his duel

How can you put Kenobi the same as Mace, Dooku and Sidious? How can you put Anakin higher than Mace, Dooku and Sidous? In my opinion Mace is better then all of them in terms of dueling. Yoda is good but he still wasn't as effective as Mace in the films. He was hardly able to create an opening in his duels with Dooku and Sidious. Mace on the other hand was so precise in his duel with Sidous and just didn't make a mistake and was able to find an opening in his duel with Sidious and win. I would say that Yoda, Dooku and Palpatine are all on the same level at 9. Mace would be the only 10. Anakin and ObiWon would both be 8. Then people like Fisto, Drallig, Unduli, Bolq and Grievous etc 7. Then I would give people like Saesee Tinn 6, Mundi 5 and below that people like Colemen Trebor.