ROTJ Vader vs ROTS Dooku

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Anakin beat Dooku fair and square. So how is Dooku a 10 with Anakin a 8.5? Unless Anakin is on such higher tier then Dooku in terms of force prowess, which he is not higher then Dooku in terms of force abilities, so how did Anakin win if Dooku was that much better?

Note that Lucas said that Anakin beat Dooku fair and square, Dooku didn't know what was going on so he couldn't have 'thrown' the fight.

Lucas said overpowered which I explained about before, that Dooku did not try to kill Anakin but Anakin overcame his defence. If Dooku didn't know a shit he would not try to talk Anakin into using the dark side just kick his ass like he did with Kenobi. You have kept talking about how Sidious faked to Mace but Lucas himself said that Mace overpowered Sidious. And Anakin haden't mastered his style to the fullest degree, but Dooku had. And Dooku's style was much better in lightsaber vs lightsaber combat than Anakin's.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Yeah, the list goes more something like this:
Anakin: 9.5
Dooku: 9
Yoda: 10
Sidious: 9
Mace: 9
Obi-Wan: 9
Cin: 8 maybe but it's hard to judge from the 3 second hologram of his duel

Mace and Yoda were leagues above Anakin and Obi-Wan is saber combat. Kit was almost on the same level as Obi-Wan is swordfighting, and Sidious WTFPwned him in seconds. Then he got his ass kicked by Mace then Yoda. So both Yoda, Sidious and Mace (at least the jedi) are leagues above Kenobi and Anakin. And why do you put Dooku on the same level as Obi when Dooku is clearly able to parry strikes from both Anakin and Obi-Wan at the same time, then knock Kenobi out while kicking Anakin away.

Obi-Wan (ROTS) equal to Kit? lol

They were equal in Deception, before Obi-Wan mastered Soresu.

DS is saying that Anakin is stronger than Mace, Sidious, and Dooku?
This is how the list really would go:
Anakin: 8.5
Obi-Wan: 8
Dooku: 9
Yoda: 10
Sidious: 9.8
Mace: 9.9

Or something along those lines.

I wouldn't give Sidious a 9.8 as his lightsaber abilities have shown to be subpar at best but yea Yoda and Mace are at the top. In fact I would put Dooku on the same level as Yoda and Mace as he was one of the greatest lightsaber duelists in centuries. Either way Dooku would own Vader

In a saber fight, yes... I don't know about a force fight... Dooku seemed much more of a duelist.

I gave Sidious a 9.8 because he was beaten by Mace and Yoda who were 9.9 and 10, so he probably couldn't be 9.9 or 10, right?

One fight doesnt explain the fighters skills. I mean sometime u have a good day and sometime u have a bad day, sometime u are faking and sometime u are monsterkilling. Just because Anakin beaten Dooku in ROTS i dont think we can say that Anakin is 10 times better than Dooku. I never solved that puzzle with Dooku and ani if Dooku is faking. Whatever the thing i want to say is just because a person beats another person ONE day it doesnt means that his better than the other person.

Whatever.... I dont think u can say 10 and 9.9 because they arent UBER. I mean in the future of star wars i think the jedis get better. I mean there is better fighters than Yoda or is it?.... maybe in the future of star wars...... WHATEVER!

How can you put Kenobi the same as Mace, Dooku and Sidious?

How can you put Anakin higher than Mace, Dooku and Sidous?

Kamkiz, what you say makes sense, except that Dooku had no reason not to kick Anakin's ass, cause he didn't know anything about turining Anakin to the Dark Side, GL said so himself. So if he could have why didn't he kick his ass?

Yoda and Mace leagues above Anakin and Obi-Wan? 😆 Obi-Wan did about as good against grievous as Mace did in LOE, Anakin beat Dooku. Obi-Wan's far above Kit, as ROTS shows, they were even in TCD. Dooku didn't outduel Obi-Wan, he took him out with the Force.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Kamkiz, what you say makes sense, except that Dooku had no reason not to kick Anakin's ass, cause he didn't know anything about turining Anakin to the Dark Side, GL said so himself. So if he could have why didn't he kick his ass?

Originally posted by Hello Friend
Makashi is actually the 2nd most effective form of saber to saber combat.

Really? Is that why it was called the "refinement of saber to saber combat" by the two guys who made it?

And Obi-Wan is inferior to Anakin. Anakin was overwhelmed by grief during the duel on Mustafar.

And don't forget stupidity. But even with his rage he could not best Obi-Wan at the force push (Remember that scene). Ergo, I have no reason to believe that Anakin at his force height (Not potential, just the height of his trained force powers before becoming mechanical) was better than ROTS Obi-Wan. And that's all really moot, because Dooku easily schooled Anakin and Obi-Wan at the same time:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Vader has never shown the ability to just up and forcepwn an alert jedi master while casually backkicking a saber prodigy, and still have the cool left over to drop a walkway on the former.

Also, the ROTS novel states that Dooku goes all out at the end of the fight (correct me if I'm wrong).

And it also has plenty of other inaccuracies. For movie canon, we must go first to the movies and only to the movies. Novelisations are bullshit. TPM novelisation says that Qui-gon was on par with Mace Windu, which is a ridiculous and unproven concept. However, we see that in the movie while Dooku did indeed lose to Anakin's clever move, he was not out to kill the young jedi. He -easily- disabled Obi-Wan, someone Anakin could kill only with the greatest difficulty, and yet continued to give ground before and play with Anakin, not utilizing his great advantage of form mastery and force mastery.

Really? Is that why it was called the "refinement of saber to saber combat" by the two guys who made it?

I consider Vaapad to be the best lightsaber form.

That's an opinion, and moot.

Makashi is the best for saber-to-saber combat. Fact.

Exactly. Dooku is the best saber practitioner in the PT era for sheer form dedication and mastery.

With the exception Yoda and Sidious, but that's my opinion as well...

Well, neither Yoda nor Sidious were true to saber duelling in and of itself, but they probably could beat Dooku for sheer force knowledge on top of having exceptional duelling abilities.

*shrug*