Originally posted by joesha28
The late Dr. Orr said: What we mean by proof of God's existence is simply that there are necessary acts of thought by which we rise from thr finite to the infinite, from the caused to the uncaused, from the contingent to the necessary, from the reason involved in the structure of the universe to a universal and eternal reason,which is the ground of all. from morality in conscience to a moral Lawgiver and Judge.
And this has all the effect and proof of Tookie William's autobiography. Point?
Religion existed b4 argument; in fact it is the preciousness of religion that leads to the seeking for all possible confirmations of the reality of God.
What a bunch of bullshit. Dictatorships existed "b4" democracy; is a dictatorship suddenly more credible because it's older? Appeal to tradition: logical fallacy.
Evolution: Change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations, as a result of natural selection acting on the genetic variation among individuals, and resulting in the development of new species.
The historical development of a related group of organisms; phylogeny.
Nice copy and paste skills there, Slick.
They develop as the need arises, you say. Who develop it? Chemical reactions? Natural Selection?
Go read a book on evolution. I'm not going to parrot it for you if you're ignorant to the concept outside of copied definitions and laymen's knowledge.
That's the case the government of that state has to wait for millions of year for a building to be build.
Can you relate this to something and make it intelligible and relevant? Natural selection is a scientific theory that holds insofar as it is both falsifiable and holds true to evidence and observation.. Go look up the entirety of the scientific method, in case you slept through that in grade school. Creationism and ID don't follow scientific method or any method other than "It's too complex or mysterious; therefore God did it." It's called leaping to conclusions. Logical fallacy.
I did not say one intelligent supernatural designer made a City.
It's called an analogy, and if you had the reasoning power adequate enough to resolve this debate, you'd notice it's comparison value and relevance.
read my post right kid.
Real mature from someone who has no legible argument.
Man everywhere believes in existence of a Supreme Being or beings to whom he is morally responsible and to whom propitations need to be made.
Appeal to majority. Logical fallacy.
Just because people all over believe in God does not make it so. If everyone on Manhatten was under the impression that their island was the only island on the east coast, would it be so? No. Belief does not constitute being or proof, even the belief of a majority.
The likes of you are the minority, asking us to prove the existence of God while you guys are the 1st who say God don't exist.
I'm so glad you've been keeping up on my arguments. I've never once said that God doesn't exist. Or "don't exist". I've argued that God cannot fit the Judeo-Christian mindset of all powerful and all good because of the very idea is contradictory in a world with evil. I've argued that Creationism and ID are faulty explanations for the beginnings of things, and that science is more reliable.
And when debating you do not ask the opposition to prove a negative. Why?
"There is a small, intangible, silent, invisible, allpowerful but unintrusive midget standing on my shoulder. Disprove"
That's why. No one can disprove that. It's not falsifiable. And it is likely not even true.
So? Asking another party to prove is a poor debating fallacy. Your debating fallacy. 😉
Glad to know you know your stuff there. :moron smilie:
It is impossible for a finite mind to comprehand a Supreme Being unless with His help alone. Rhetoric nonsense? For a a finite mind, it will be.
In other words, you're saying we cannot know God. Congrats. You've proven my entire point. We cannot know God, so that stuff in your precious Bible is human arrogance and likely made up by people with an agenda or not even of God at all. This means we cannot conclude that God exists or doesn't exist based on current information and evidence, and we cannot conclude that should God exist, he neccessarily created everything and therefore, evolution doesn't exist. When you have an argument structured, come back please.
QED.