"Brokeback Mountain"- How its effected America.

Originally posted by PVS
the scary part is you just seem to cream your pants every time
someone throws out that beaten, tired, and whored old wingnut
nonsensical talking point. THATS scary

You know what else would be scary Mcfly?

Getting in your time machine and telling the folks 50 years ago that gay marriage would be legal, fought for, and that the people who fight to keep marriage between man and woman, as it always has been, would be the ones considered in the wrong.

But lo and behold, that's how far it has come, in only half a century.

Know what's even scarrier Marty?

Getting in your time machine and jumping AHEAD 50 yrs to see what else we have made legal, as America's morals and standards become more ambiguous. (Cue Ace and Gary.)

You don't think these things will come to pass, but if gay marriage is legalized, what's to stop them?

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak

What the hell is the connection between peodophilia, beastiality, necrophilia and homosexual marriages??? I bet you had to shove your arm in your ass up to your elbow to dig that piece of shit statement out. ****ing a corpse is not the same as two people of the same sex marrying, no matter how much you want it to be.

Well lets see:

Gay marriage is the changing of the definition of marriage from one man and one woman (as has been the standard for many thousands of years) to also include the unnatural coupling of homosexuals and an attempt to paint that lifestyle/choice as being just as normal as heterosexuality.

The reason given:

They love each other, and it doesn't hurt you, so f*ck off. 😬

(I'll skip the social rammifications of how it does hurt, confuse, and endanger the next generation of kids for another time and just stick to the "love" part.)

Why not allow bestiality, under that same argument?

If a man owns a cow, sheep, dog, etc,... it's his, he can do as he pleases with it right?

If he even is confused enough to "love" this animal, that's his business, right?

Him having sex with an animal has nothing to do with me, hurts nobody else, and is his choice if he loves it.

Take necrophilia.

If a man (or woman) has lived for years with their spouse and then the spouse suddenly dies, why can't they have sex with the dead body?

That man (or woman) wouldn't be hurting anybody else would they?

They even can substantiate the "love" claim better than the farmer, since they were in a relationship with the deceased.

Why shouldn't they be allowed to have sex with the dead body then?

We aren't affected by it, and they loved each other, right?

Pedophilia is the hardest, and last to digest, but by the time people are asking such questions as the ones that I posted above, it won't be much longer until people will be allowed to screw their own children becuase: it doesn't hurt anybody else & they really love each other.

I won't even argue palygamy as it seems that some on here already consider that to be a viable lifestyle, and are in fact, living proof in motion of my theory that acceptance of one thing leads to acceptance of another.

The truth is though, that there ARE laws against such things, and they are not allowed to happen just because: It doens't hurt anybody and/or they love that person/creature.

(just as sodomy was once outlawed...Hell they charged NBA anouncer Marv Albert with it about ten years ago) 😉

Those laws are in place and were set there because, (no matter how much you may wish it different) there ARE set standards of human sexual behavior that we are to follow, and those who choose to ignore them for their own pleasure are the minority, not the norm.

Liberal folks who argue for love and the minding of ones' own business have already changed the sodomy law and are now attemtping to change the marriage laws, with the false assumption that they are somehow "bettering" the society by giving it more choices.(Unnatural, unhealthy choices)

They are in fact making things worse, blurring the lines of chaos and order (in small increments yes, but still blurring), and creating an "anything goes" mentality in our culture that will eventually put an end to discipline from parents, respect for authority, education and development, and production in society.... if left unchecked and allowed to continue un-interrupted.

Even as I type, the liberal culture has changed our society to allow the ending of innocent childrens lives through abortions, in the attempt to allow women more "freedom".

Freedom to have sex wherever and whenever they want, with no responsiblities or consequences.

Freedom to waste babies lives, to in fact kill them, so that they can continue getting laid with no interruptions.

Again, because it feels good for them, and doesn't hurt anybody else.

A sad line of bullshit, when we allow the wholesale slaughter of new life, and say "it isn't hurting YOU", ... like somehow the baby would be okay with this.

Things in this country are seriously becoming more f*cked up by the day, and you all wonder why people with common sense, decency, and moral judgement stand up to make themselves heard.

Forget wonder, you criticize, be-little, and sometimes even attack those who would stand in the face of this blatant destruction of our society from the inside out.

And you have the balls to say that I should be ashamed. 😐

Homosexuality can not be compared to Besiality, Pedifilia or Necrophilia for this simple reason that those 3 are automaticly rape, and homosexuality is not so.

Bestiality- A human being having sexual activity with an animal. The animal does not have a choice in the matter (lets say dog or cat) if a human decides to do this. The animal doesn't have that yes/no this is right/wrong capabilities that a human being does, so it in fact is a type of rape.

Pedifilia- for obvious reasons, children are not mature enough or even mentally ready to make sexual decisions, for an adult to ahve sex with a child...its always by force. There is never a true choice involved here.

Necrophilia- Again no choice. A human having sex with a courpse...obviously the courpse cannot make the choice to have sex because it is dead. This is a total violation of the dead body as the living person is the ONLY one doing the actual f*cking.

Homosexuality- in the case of a mutual / consentual sexual relationship between two men or two women is one based on mutual desire and mutual choice. They are not hurting anyone else by being with each other.

you would compare getting an Abortion to being a homosexual ? HOW the f%$% are they connected ?

And as for "Sodomy Law"....if two people know what they are doing and choose to do this, and actually ENJOY this....who are you or I to tell them they cannot do this?

None of your post made sense SithSaber....you sure as hell wrote a lot, and obviously put a lot of thought into it...but most of it was your own bias. Homosexuals have existed since the dawn of time, and what a shame that its ONLY today that they are allowed to feel like equals.

Your Hate is unneeded here or anywhere else.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
You know what else would be scary Mcfly?

Getting in your time machine and telling the folks 50 years ago that gay marriage would be legal, fought for, and that the people who fight to keep marriage between man and woman, as it always has been, would be the ones considered in the wrong.

But lo and behold, that's how far it has come, in only half a century.

Know what's even scarrier Marty?

Getting in your time machine and jumping AHEAD 50 yrs to see what else we have made legal, as America's morals and standards become more ambiguous. (Cue Ace and Gary.)

You don't think these things will come to pass, but if gay marriage is legalized, what's to stop them?

Well lets see:

Gay marriage is the changing of the definition of marriage from one man and one woman (as has been the standard for many thousands of years) to also include the unnatural coupling of homosexuals and an attempt to paint that lifestyle/choice as being just as normal as heterosexuality.

The reason given:

They love each other, and it doesn't hurt you, so f*ck off. 😬

(I'll skip the social rammifications of how it does hurt, confuse, and endanger the next generation of kids for another time and just stick to the "love" part.)

Why not allow bestiality, under that same argument?

If a man owns a cow, sheep, dog, etc,... it's his, he can do as he pleases with it right?

If he even is confused enough to "love" this animal, that's his business, right?

Him having sex with an animal has nothing to do with me, hurts nobody else, and is his choice if he loves it.

Take necrophilia.

If a man (or woman) has lived for years with their spouse and then the spouse suddenly dies, why can't they have sex with the dead body?

That man (or woman) wouldn't be hurting anybody else would they?

They even can substantiate the "love" claim better than the farmer, since they were in a relationship with the deceased.

Why shouldn't they be allowed to have sex with the dead body then?

We aren't affected by it, and they loved each other, right?

Pedophilia is the hardest, and last to digest, but by the time people are asking such questions as the ones that I posted above, it won't be much longer until people will be allowed to screw their own children becuase: it doesn't hurt anybody else & they really love each other.

I won't even argue palygamy as it seems that some on here already consider that to be a viable lifestyle, and are in fact, living proof in motion of my theory that acceptance of one thing leads to acceptance of another.

The truth is though, that there ARE laws against such things, and they are not allowed to happen just because: It doens't hurt anybody and/or they love that person/creature.

(just as sodomy was once outlawed...Hell they charged NBA anouncer Marv Albert with it about ten years ago) 😉

Those laws are in place and were set there because, (no matter how much you may wish it different) there ARE set standards of human sexual behavior that we are to follow, and those who choose to ignore them for their own pleasure are the minority, not the norm.

Liberal folks who argue for love and the minding of ones' own business have already changed the sodomy law and are now attemtping to change the marriage laws, with the false assumption that they are somehow "bettering" the society by giving it more choices.(Unnatural, unhealthy choices)

They are in fact making things worse, blurring the lines of chaos and order (in small increments yes, but still blurring), and creating an "anything goes" mentality in our culture that will eventually put an end to discipline from parents, respect for authority, education and development, and production in society.... if left unchecked and allowed to continue un-interrupted.

Even as I type, the liberal culture has changed our society to allow the ending of innocent childrens lives through abortions, in the attempt to allow women more "freedom".

Freedom to have sex wherever and whenever they want, with no responsiblities or consequences.

Freedom to waste babies lives, to in fact kill them, so that they can continue getting laid with no interruptions.

Again, because it feels good for them, and doesn't hurt anybody else.

A sad line of bullshit, when we allow the wholesale slaughter of new life, and say "it isn't hurting YOU", ... like somehow the baby would be okay with this.

Things in this country are seriously becoming more f*cked up by the day, and you all wonder why people with common sense, decency, and moral judgement stand up to make themselves heard.

Forget wonder, you criticize, be-little, and sometimes even attack those who would stand in the face of this blatant destruction of our society from the inside out.

And you have the balls to say that [B]I should be ashamed. 😐 [/B]

i just glazed over the post, saw "mcfly", "time machine" and "bestiality". needless to say i dont care to read it.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I don't think Brokeback Mountain sucked...I loved it...it was one of the FEW movies that actually made my ass cry lol

I only wish there sex scene would have been MORE graphic....i would have LOVED that...they had sex with thier clothes on and that pissed me off lolol

If they would have done it naked, OMG it would have been SO MUCH BETTER !

And Jake Gyllenhaal ??? DELICIOUS droolio

😘

*pukes all over the keyboard*

You know what else would be scary Mcfly?

Getting in your time machine and telling the folks 50 years ago that gay marriage would be legal, fought for, and that the people who fight to keep marriage between man and woman, as it always has been, would be the ones considered in the wrong.

It would also scare/upset some of these people to go back and tell them that black people and women have the same rights as white people and men.

I'm sure we should all be worried about what some people 50 years ago thought.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
You know what else would be scary Mcfly?

Getting in your time machine and telling the folks 50 years ago that gay marriage would be legal, fought for, and that the people who fight to keep marriage between man and woman, as it always has been, would be the ones considered in the wrong.

But lo and behold, that's how far it has come, in only half a century.

You know what else is scary? Thirty-nine years ago, the United States Supreme Court ruled in the case of Loving v. Virginia that anti-miscegenation laws are unconstitutional, but interracial marriage remained illegal in Alabama until six years ago. Things have not come far enough.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Know what's even scarrier Marty?

Getting in your time machine and jumping AHEAD 50 yrs to see what else we have made legal, as America's morals and standards become more ambiguous. (Cue Ace and Gary.)

You don't think these things will come to pass, but if gay marriage is legalized, what's to stop them?

In order to show that a proposition is unacceptable, a series of increasingly unacceptable events is show to follow from the proposition. Congratulations on comitting the logic fallacy of Slippery Slope.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Well lets see:

Gay marriage is the changing of the definition of marriage from one man and one woman (as has been the standard for many thousands of years) to also include the unnatural coupling of homosexuals and an attempt to paint that lifestyle/choice as being just as normal as heterosexuality.

The reason given:

They love each other, and it doesn't hurt you, so f*ck off. 😬

(I'll skip the social rammifications of how it does hurt, confuse, and endanger the next generation of kids for another time and just stick to the "love" part.)

The United States Supreme Court ruled in the case of Loving v. Virginia that "marriage is a basic civil right" guaranteed by the 14th amendment of the constitution.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Why not allow bestiality, under that same argument?

If a man owns a cow, sheep, dog, etc,... it's his, he can do as he pleases with it right?

If he even is confused enough to "love" this animal, that's his business, right?

Him having sex with an animal has nothing to do with me, hurts nobody else, and is his choice if he loves it.

Take necrophilia.

If a man (or woman) has lived for years with their spouse and then the spouse suddenly dies, why can't they have sex with the dead body?

That man (or woman) wouldn't be hurting anybody else would they?

They even can substantiate the "love" claim better than the farmer, since they were in a relationship with the deceased.

Why shouldn't they be allowed to have sex with the dead body then?

We aren't affected by it, and they loved each other, right?

Pedophilia is the hardest, and last to digest, but by the time people are asking such questions as the ones that I posted above, it won't be much longer until people will be allowed to screw their own children becuase: it doesn't hurt anybody else & they really love each other.

None of the above have the cognitive ability to consent to such a relationship, nor can any of the above enter into a legal contract.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I won't even argue palygamy as it seems that some on here already consider that to be a viable lifestyle, and are in fact, living proof in motion of my theory that acceptance of one thing leads to acceptance of another.

Polygamy was legal in the United States for 102 years. What did that lead to the acceptance of?

Moreover, the practice of polygamy is acceptable in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Deuteronomy contains a rule for the division of property in polygamist marriages, and Old Testament figures such as Abraham, David, Jacob, and Solomon were all favored by God and were all polygamists. Solomon alone had 700 wives and 300 concubines.

I thought you were a True Christian™?

Originally posted by sithsaber408
The truth is though, that there ARE laws against such things, and they are not allowed to happen just because: It doens't hurt anybody and/or they love that person/creature.

(just as sodomy was once outlawed...Hell they charged NBA anouncer Marv Albert with it about ten years ago) 😉

Those laws are in place and were set there because, (no matter how much you may wish it different) there ARE set standards of human sexual behavior that we are to follow, and those who choose to ignore them for their own pleasure are the minority, not the norm.

Liberal folks who argue for love and the minding of ones' own business have already changed the sodomy law and are now attemtping to change the marriage laws, with the false assumption that they are somehow "bettering" the society by giving it more choices.(Unnatural, unhealthy choices)

They are in fact making things worse, blurring the lines of chaos and order (in small increments yes, but still blurring), and creating an "anything goes" mentality in our culture that will eventually put an end to discipline from parents, respect for authority, education and development, and production in society.... if left unchecked and allowed to continue un-interrupted.

Even as I type, the liberal culture has changed our society to allow the ending of innocent childrens lives through abortions, in the attempt to allow women more "freedom".

Freedom to have sex wherever and whenever they want, with no responsiblities or consequences.

Freedom to waste babies lives, to in fact kill them, so that they can continue getting laid with no interruptions.

Again, because it feels good for them, and doesn't hurt anybody else.

A sad line of bullshit, when we allow the wholesale slaughter of new life, and say "it isn't hurting YOU", ... like somehow the baby would be okay with this.

Things in this country are seriously becoming more f*cked up by the day, and you all wonder why people with common sense, decency, and moral judgement stand up to make themselves heard.

Forget wonder, you criticize, be-little, and sometimes even attack those who would stand in the face of this blatant destruction of our society from the inside out.

And you have the balls to say that [B]I should be ashamed. 😐 [/B]

By all means, explain why same-sex couples who pay taxes and participate in the same network of services fundamental to every U.S. household should pay more, even if they're part of a household with kids, and why same-sex couples and their children do not deserve the same safety net that protects every American family.

Originally posted by PVS
i just glazed over the post, saw "mcfly", "time machine" and "bestiality". needless to say i dont care to read it.

Of course you don't.

That would require thinking about things from outside your own mis-guided point of view.

Originally posted by BackFire
It would also scare/upset some of these people to go back and tell them that black people and women have the same rights as white people and men.

I'm sure we should all be worried about what some people 50 years ago thought.

Right, because discriminating against a person's race/ethnicity is the same as stopping un-natural, un-healthy unions from replacing what marriage was desinged for. 😬

"None of the above have the cognitive ability to consent to such a relationship, nor can any of the above enter into a legal contract."

Which shouldn't matter to you or me or anyone else, as long as said animal or dead body is loved by the other person and we are not harmed by it...... right?

Or does it change to fit your arguments?

As for the rest of your post:

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
You know what else is scary? Thirty-nine years ago, the United States Supreme Court ruled in the case of Loving v. Virginia that anti-miscegenation laws are unconstitutional, but interracial marriage remained illegal in Alabama until six years ago. Things have not come far enough.

In order to show that a proposition is unacceptable, a series of increasingly unacceptable events is show to follow from the proposition. Congratulations on comitting the logic fallacy of Slippery Slope.

The United States Supreme Court ruled in the case of Loving v. Virginia that "marriage is a basic civil right" guaranteed by the 14th amendment of the constitution.

None of the above have the cognitive ability to consent to such a relationship, nor can any of the above enter into a legal contract.

Polygamy was legal in the United States for 102 years. What did that lead to the acceptance of?

Moreover, the practice of polygamy is acceptable in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Deuteronomy contains a rule for the division of property in polygamist marriages, and Old Testament figures such as Abraham, David, Jacob, and Solomon were all favored by God and were all polygamists. Solomon alone had 700 wives and 300 concubines.

I thought you were a True Christian™?

By all means, explain why same-sex couples who pay taxes and participate in the same network of services fundamental to every U.S. household should pay more, even if they're part of a household with kids, and why same-sex couples and their children do not deserve the same safety net that protects every American family.

Originally posted by sithsaber408

Right, because discriminating against a person's race/ethnicity is the same as stopping un-natural, un-healthy unions from replacing what marriage was desinged for. 😬

Where did you get the wrong idea from that it is un-healthy? What do you base that on? Your Unhealthy amount of Playboy Magazines?

Originally posted by sithsaber408

"[B]None of the above have the cognitive ability to consent to such a relationship, nor can any of the above enter into a legal contract."

Which shouldn't matter to you or me or anyone else, as long as said animal or dead body is loved by the other person and we are not harmed by it...... right?

Or does it change to fit your arguments?
[/b]

No, no...you don't understand....it is a really rational argument. You are just able to focus one one point of it...the consent is a very important part in the reasoning,

*pukes all over the keyboard*

You need to stop looking in the mirror DiamondBullets......

Nah but seriously, that's MORE than enough reason for me to be bisexual....to make bigots like you vomit !

😆

Right, because discriminating against a person's race/ethnicity is the same as stopping un-natural, un-healthy unions from replacing what marriage was desinged for.

Discrimination is discrimination. Like it or not, that's what you're doing by not allowing same sex couples to marry based purely on your subjective, religiously based opinions.

The point I was making is that it's stupid to cite past normalities when people in the past lived by completely different standards, both morally and logically. This person who would be upset about gay marriage would also likely get upset that black people and women have rights. Further proving that the traditionalist argument is a flawed one.

Which shouldn't matter to you or me or anyone else, as long as said animal or dead body is loved by the other person and we are not harmed by it...... right?

Or does it change to fit your arguments?

Consent is the ONLY thing that matters in a relationship and marriage. No one has said otherwise. You can't just marry someone because you love them, it takes two people to engage in the ceremony, two willing people. Animals, children, and dead people can't give consent, two gay adults CAN give consent, which is the blatant difference. This is basic shit here, man. Not complicated.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Which shouldn't matter to you or me or anyone else, as long as said animal or dead body is loved by the other person and we are not harmed by it...... right?

Or does it change to fit your arguments?

I am not arguing that same-sex couples should be allowed to marry one another because they love one another and their unions harm no one else. I am arguing that the 14th amendment of the constitution guarantees same-sex couples the right to marry one another.

Moreover, I am still waiting for you to explain why same-sex couples who pay taxes and participate in the same network of services fundamental to every U.S. household should pay more, even if they're part of a household with kids, and why same-sex couples and their children do not deserve the same safety net that protects every American family.

Originally posted by BackFire
Discrimination is discrimination. Like it or not, that's what you're doing by not allowing same sex couples to marry based purely on your subjective, religiously based opinions.

His subjective, and selective religiously-based opinions. Remember, he believes polygamy to be unacceptable even though it is acceptable to Christianity. He is a world-class hypocrite.

wait is necrophilia also rape? idk y i thought of that but i did...

Originally posted by sithsaber408
(I'll skip the social rammifications of how it does hurt, confuse, and endanger the next generation of kids

That's convenient. You'll skip it for the benefit of the viewing audience? Or for the sake of your own argument?

Address it, because that's the whole basis for your argument. And if you can't, then STFU and sit down.

Also, feel free to enlighten us as to teh purpose behind the "design" of marriage.

Yes, Bestiality, Necrophilia, and Pedifilia are essentially RAPE because thier lacks CONSENT from one of the participants.

Homosexuality and Heterosexuality are the SAME in the issue of the existance of mutual CONSENT

IF you plan to counter my argument, then DO SO by attacking my points, do NOT respond by giving me this Bible BS or by saying "but being gay is gross !" etc.

Originally posted by teh smart guy
I agree completely. Most Catholic Priests are gay anyway.

As a gay male myself, I frankly feel the movie is a bit satirical of the gay lifestyle. Quite frankly, teh intricacies that homosexuality consists of is more than just sex.

I also find it rather offensive that both gay males were portrayed as cowboys. Is it possible to have a homosexual male, represented in a role, that doesn't fit into some sort of stereotypical mold?

Amen Brotha!

I'm a heterosexual male, and I have looked at a few transexual websites, as well as done some things that people may consider gay(one time when I was younger, I stuck something up my butt and hey at the time I thought it felt good)

Aside from that though I'm attracted to women, and have only had a few sex partners(about 3) my entire life. Despite this, people whom I've informed about my past sexual antics would refer to me as a whore. When we're young we do stupid things. But that doesn't mean that we should be stereotyped into a particular type of lifestyle.

Originally posted by LatinoStallion
Yes, Bestiality, Necrophilia, and Pedifilia are essentially RAPE because thier lacks CONSENT from one of the participants.

Homosexuality and Heterosexuality are the SAME in the issue of the existance of mutual CONSENT

IF you plan to counter my argument, then DO SO by attacking my points, do NOT respond by giving me this Bible BS or by saying "but being gay is gross !" etc.

Amen!

We need to be careful not to judge others.

Originally posted by Thundar
one time when I was younger, I stuck something up my butt and hey at the time I thought it felt good

Okay, I'll bite. What was it?

Originally posted by Robtard
Okay, I'll bite. What was it?

And add on why doesn't it feel good anymore?

my nephew once stuck half a power ranger up his ass.

just... throwing that out there. 😐