Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I want to ask you a simple question, how come 4 comics + a month plus other appearences. An unbroken monthly comic for 67 years. The neverending battle still goes on. How the hell do you think anyone is going to beat Superman. He even comes back from the Dead and wrestles Angels!
Yup a bit ridiculous runner should win but not in a battle
Whirly, what do his sales have to do with this battle?? If thats the case, then Batman has the Man of Steel beat, going by his sales, minus the years he didn't exist yet. Oh, and Runner wins. But that mumbojumbo about Superman being integral to the DCU is kinda why i see Marvels space arena to be much more lifelike. DCU makes it seem like the universe revolves around Superman, DC Earth, and were he to stop living, the DCU would end or mourn forever, but Marvel makes it feel much more universal imo. Small pieces of one big whole, that were they to die or not exist nemore, the universe will continue on without a blink.What did the DCU do before Superman?? Thats what i wish DC would think about. It just seems like it starts and ends with Superman. Thats not universal. Thats centered. I ken that he is the first superhero technically, but he shouldn't imo be the end all. Thats shortchanging the universe they created.
Originally posted by UniOmni
Whirly, what do his sales have to do with this battle?? If thats the case, then Batman has the Man of Steel beat, going by his sales, minus the years he didn't exist yet. Oh, and Runner wins. But that mumbojumbo about Superman being integral to the DCU is kinda why i see Marvels space arena to be much more lifelike. DCU makes it seem like the universe revolves around Superman, DC Earth, and were he to stop living, the DCU would end or mourn forever, but Marvel makes it feel much more universal imo. Small pieces of one big whole, that were they to die or not exist nemore, the universe will continue on without a blink.What did the DCU do before Superman?? Thats what i wish DC would think about. It just seems like it starts and ends with Superman. Thats not universal. Thats centered. I ken that he is the first superhero technically, but he shouldn't imo be the end all. Thats shortchanging the universe they created.
Marvels Space Arena more realistic 🙄 hmmm, let me think, Hawkeye beats the collector. Galactus dies becomes a star and unleases a destroyer. Abstracts everywhere that often make each other redundant e.g. Phoenix. So many people have an integral role in the Marvel universe from Reed Richards to Mantis. Marvel has it's cosmic retconn of the week. I really don't think you have a point here. In regards to sales, thats not the point - history is, in 67 years Supes has never been properly beaten, his even comeback from the dead and wrestled angels. He always finds a way to win. So until he has a win : loss record like the elders.........
Keep the faith 🙂
Stay Whirly 🤘
Originally posted by soleran30
However the writers like to extrapolate the runner from a power stand point should beat SM stupid writers be damned Whirly🙂
Remember He beat Surfer, because the Surfers energy based powers did not work on him and Surfer and he fought hand to hand. If the fight is in this Scenario 😉 Supes owns him in strength. He is physically well above the Surfer. The only reason Surfer could beat Supes is Kryptonite or Red Sun radiation. The Power Primordial can be used for this although no evidence that the Runner can use it in this way exists. Hand to Hand Sundipped 🙂
Whirly, either you are too obtuse to recognize my point, or are deliberate in your ignorance, you missed the message. I wasn't talking about low showings in fights. Thats not the point of my post. My realistic view point comes in from the fact that in the DCU, nearly everything in some way involves Superman. Then like you said earlier in the thread, Superman is very important to the DCU. My mind says marvel has a more realistic viewpoint coming from the fact that in Marvel, no one being is integral to the universe, barring abstracts and the like. If Odin and the rest of the Pantheonic Gods were to be killed, the Marvel universe would move on. In DC, if Superman were to be killed, the way his importance is touted, verily, reality itself might collapse. DC has many conflicts revolving around Earth etc, and earth has been described as the lynchpin of the universe or multiverse....One of them. Marvel has a more realistic, life goes on type feel to me. Much more wide open and ever changing scope to it imo. Unless Superman is now an abstract, the DCU shouldn't blink, but keep on moving on. Because in comic book continuity at least, the DCU existed well before superman did, and it should continue on fine after he dies. Superman dies, earth should mourn. Not the universe. If it doesn't, then DC is selling its own universe short. Thats why i see Marvels universe as more lifelike and realistic. Small pieces of eternity that make a difference, but should they die, life will continue on unabated.
Oh and the jab about retcons in marvel, didn't Superboy Prime punching somehow cause ripples that brought back Donna, Jason and somebody i know i'm forgetting?? I believe its called the retcon punch.
Lets not get into the stupidity of DC right now.
And about Supermans feats.....He's the first conventional Superhero. He has icon status. Of course his feats will be the most extravagant. Doesn't make any other character less interesting. At least they can be real superheroes, rather than an archetype.
Originally posted by UniOmni
Whirly, either you are too obtuse to recognize my point, or are deliberate in your ignorance, you missed the message. I wasn't talking about low showings in fights. Thats not the point of my post. My realistic view point comes in from the fact that in the DCU, nearly everything in some way involves Superman. Then like you said earlier in the thread, Superman is very important to the DCU. My mind says marvel has a more realistic viewpoint coming from the fact that in Marvel, no one being is integral to the universe, barring abstracts and the like. If Odin and the rest of the Pantheonic Gods were to be killed, the Marvel universe would move on. In DC, if Superman were to be killed, the way his importance is touted, verily, reality itself might collapse. DC has many conflicts revolving around Earth etc, and earth has been described as the lynchpin of the universe or multiverse....One of them. Marvel has a more realistic, life goes on type feel to me. Much more wide open and ever changing scope to it imo. Unless Superman is now an abstract, the DCU shouldn't blink, but keep on moving on. Because in comic book continuity at least, the DCU existed well before superman did, and it should continue on fine after he dies. Superman dies, earth should mourn. Not the universe. If it doesn't, then DC is selling its own universe short. Thats why i see Marvels universe as more lifelike and realistic. Small pieces of eternity that make a difference, but should they die, life will continue on unabated.
Oh and the jab about retcons in marvel, didn't Superboy Prime punching somehow cause ripples that brought back Donna, Jason and somebody i know i'm forgetting?? I believe its called the retcon punch.
Lets not get into the stupidity of DC right now.
Didn't miss your point at all but Galactus is integral to the Marvel Universe. If you read Thor 301 you would know why Marvels pantheonic gods exist, you obviously haven't so you don't. 616 is the Nexus earth in Marvel read Excalibur or Captain Britains early stories and a number of beings exist who are considered prime to the Marvel Universe.
If you read a lot of DC which I can tell you don't from your post you would realise that DCU is "bigger" very little of it is charted by the heroes despite its great age. The Marvel Universe is tiny in comparison, the Surfer seems to have been everywhere in it. 😉
I'm glad you have been reading infinite crisis at least. "Retconn punch" 😂 amusing.
The heroes in DC are sleek and being retconned back into heroes, they should not have clay feet and the nineties sell out of DC where the heroes stopped being "icons" and became like Marvels flawed heroes is over (thank god). You have a problem with Superman being a "good guy" and his "goodness" being important to his Universe, that's your choice. It doesn't change the fact he is a messiah like figure, the Surfer and Adam Warlock both also have these traits, the truth is though as much as you protest they will never be as important as Superman, Culturally or to their respective Universe.
And all done with no veiled insults to your intelligence, learn from it.
Keep the faith🙂
Stay Super 🤘
The Runner is stronger than superman botton kine, even Silver Surfer couldn't beat the runner who can amp his strength eyond superman's. The Runner will hit superman some many time it wouldn't be fuuny, while they are fighting superman will have a smile on his busted up face. Superman wouldn't stand a chance in hell of beating him, even superman did fight asmodel which was cis/pis and jobber superman would've gotten killed and the rest of theJLA end of story. The Runner wins 10/10
Originally posted by the Darkone
The Runner is stronger than superman botton kine, even Silver Surfer couldn't beat the runner who can amp his strength eyond superman's. The Runner will hit superman some many time it wouldn't be fuuny, while they are fighting superman will have a smile on his busted up face. Superman wouldn't stand a chance in hell of beating him, even superman did fight asmodel which was cis/pis and jobber superman would've gotten killed and the rest of theJLA end of story. The Runner wins 10/10
Please show me the Surfers strength feats🙂 Supes v Asmodel is cannon as is every other cosmic/god Supes has beaten.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
As would I 🙂 and Surfers speed doesn't seem to be combat speed to me.
