Fist what exactly are you attempting to convey in your discussion here?
Is it that slavery is evil?
Is it recognition of Slavery in the USA?
If Jefferson was nervous about having to "pay for this in the future." You would be correct he slept with a great deal of his slaves and apparently had several children from different slaves he had. Oh he paid.....................
Originally posted by Bardock42
Didn't say that, i said it is not evil as such....I might think it is evil...but I don't own any absolute truth.Wrong
Wait a second...did Jackson quote Jefferson or what? Do you just make up your quotes as you go along.....could you make sure who said what and when before you quote?
Well they made money from it that wasn't evil, they were able to built a good economy that wasn't evil....(I am not saying it was good, unlike you I don't see it as a Black and White thing...in fact I see i as grey....perfect grey......right in the middle)
My Bad. Andrew Jackson was what I meant to write. Not Jefferson. That's my fault.
But I'm not making anything up or misquoting anyone or falsifying any information. I made a honest mistake in writing Jackson instead of Jefferson. Since a kid, I always confused the two alot of the time cause they were extremely similar to one another, to me. But my bad for that one.
Ok.
So, because selling drugs makes money, it isn't evil. So misleading the American consumer by using the false advertisement and deceptive business tactics that's being used 24/7 by corporations to strengthen the economy isn't evil.
I don't understand. It's as if you accept anything as face value no matter the effects and claim it as not evil. You have to take into account the benefits or malices something yields. That's what makes something good or evil. Not what something seems to be at first.
If I buy a gun to protect my home and family, I don't consider myself evil. But if I buy a gun to rob someone unnecessarily, i'm an evil mofo.
You look at it as, if a person buys a gun he is not evil, period. lol true but if he uses the gun for evil, he was already evil to begin with. Probably even just before purchasing the gun.
Look, we just have clear but solid differences in opinions. I'm not going to convince you and you definitely aren't going to make me see your view because I totally disagree with it so lets call it a stalemate because we're just going back and forth on this issue with no resolve.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
My Bad. Andrew Jackson was what I meant to write. Not Jefferson. That's my fault.But I'm not making anything up or misquoting anyone or falsifying any information. I made a honest mistake in writing Jackson instead of Jefferson. Since a kid, I always confused the two alot of the time cause they were extremely similar to one another, to me. But my bad for that one.
Ok.
So, because selling drugs makes money, it isn't evil. So misleading the American consumer by using the false advertisement and deceptive business tactics that's being used 24/7 by corporations to strengthen the economy isn't evil.
I don't understand. It's as if you accept anything as face value no matter the effects and claim it as not evil. You have to take into account the benefits or malices something yields. That's what makes something good or evil. Not what something seems to be at first.
If I buy a gun to protect my home and family, I don't consider myself evil. But if I buy a gun to rob someone unnecessarily, i'm an evil mofo.
You look at it as, if a person buys a gun he is not evil, period. lol true but if he uses the gun for evil, he was already evil to begin with. Probably even just before purchasing the gun.
Look, we just have clear but solid differences in opinions. I'm not going to convince you and you definitely aren't going to make me see your view because I totally disagree with it so lets call it a stalemate because we're just going back and forth on this issue with no resolve.
No problem on the quote, I heard something similar, for one of them, can't remember who it wa but still...would be interesting.
Well obviously if you buy a gun to do something evil you are evil...now here'S the problem, there is nothing evil you can do....so you are not evil either.
Selling Drugs is not evil, raping children is not, shooting people isn't..there jsut is no evil cause there is no instance to decide what evil is...actually this word "evil" is absolutely pointless....
Originally posted by soleran30
Fist what exactly are you attempting to convey in your discussion here?Is it that slavery is evil?
Is it recognition of Slavery in the USA?If Jefferson was nervous about having to "pay for this in the future." You would be correct he slept with a great deal of his slaves and apparently had several children from different slaves he had. Oh he paid.....................
Well, initially my thread was merely made up to be discussed generally. I wasn't trying to convey anything but readers thought's on the topic. However, the thread did take a turn as all mostly all threads do and evil came up. But since it has now turned into talk about "evilness" then now, what I'm trying to convey is, is that slavery was evil, totally. To answer your question.
And Black Slavery needs no recognition in the U.S since it just ended, historically speaking. Precisely 141 years ago to be exact. There are humans alive today that are 120 years old. A small population but it goes to show how recently things ended. That's incredible, isn't it. Some currently living human beings in the world right now as we speak had a mother or father that lived during Black Slavery in the U.S.
So i'm pretty sure it's still fresh in the back of peoples mind, soleran30.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Well obviously if you buy a gun to do something evil you are evil...now here'S the problem, there is nothing evil you can do....so you are not evil either.Selling Drugs is not evil, raping children is not, shooting people isn't..there jsut is no evil cause there is no instance to decide what evil is...actually this word "evil" is absolutely pointless....
Oh boy, I typo-ed again. Andrew Jackson was the person quoted not Jefferson. I saw that I made the mistake again in my last post. I'd advise anyone doubtful to look it up if they wanted to.
But there's nothing evil you can't do? lol
Evil = bad, if you didn't know. What do you mean there is no evil cause there is no instance to decide what evil is or isn't??
If I blow your brains out with a shotgun at point blank range in front of your family because you called me stupid, are you saying it was a justifiable act? That it was good? That it wasn't bad? That it wasn't evil?
Because there is no evil? Because there is nothing evil i can do?
lolol
If I blow your brains out with a shotgun at point blank range in front of your family because you called me stupid, are you saying it was a justifiable act? That it was good? That it wasn't bad? That it wasn't evil?
Because there is no evil? Because there is nothing evil i can do?
Why is it bad or evil?
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Oh boy, I typo-ed again. Andrew Jackson was the person quoted not Jefferson. I saw that I made the mistake again in my last post. I'd advise anyone doubtful to look it up if they wanted to.But there's nothing evil you can't do? lol
Evil = bad, if you didn't know. What do you mean there is no evil cause there is no instance to decide what evil is or isn't??
If I blow your brains out with a shotgun at point blank range in front of your family because you called me stupid, are you saying it was a justifiable act?
That it was good? That it wasn't bad? That it wasn't evil?
Because there is no evil? Because there is nothing evil i can do?lolol
Well, you are confusing me, but I think it fits Jefferson much better than Jackson
That's not what I said, I said "There is nothing evil you can do"
I am aware...."bad" is pointless as well. In an absolute sense...certainly fits a purpose subjectively.
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Originally posted by Eis
Why is it bad or evil?
lol what? Why is it bad to blow someone's brains out with a shotgun at point blank range because he called me stupid, bad?
Well. You're either being humorous, deranged or are just..challenged. You don't think it's bad for that to happen? And for that reason?
I'll have to plead the 5th. I have nothing to say to that other than a recommendation for psychiatric help. Honestly.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
lol what? Why is it bad to blow someone's brains out with a shotgun at point blank range because he called me stupid, bad?Well. You're either being humorous, deranged or are just..challenged. You don't think it's bad for that to happen? And for that reason?
I'll have to plead the 5th. I have nothing to say to that other than a recommendation for psychiatric help. Honestly.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
lol what? Why is it bad to blow someone's brains out with a shotgun at point blank range because he called me stupid, bad?Well. You're either being humorous, deranged or are just..challenged. You don't think it's bad for that to happen? And for that reason?
I'll have to plead the 5th. I have nothing to say to that other than a recommendation for psychiatric help. Honestly.
Oh I see, you say a lot but give no arguement. Just tell us why it is bad, please.
wll said
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I am a little confused about the title of this thread ''black slavery/white people'' ?Not all slavery has been implemented by white people on black people.
Besides, white and black is not a dychotomy when it comes to people. You don't just have one or the other. If that was the case, what category would Arabs be in? What about Middle Easteners who are dark enough not to be white and white enough not to be black.
Slavery was not only practiced in America - its still practiced today around third world and people, regardless of their skin pigmentation are being treated extreamly badly.
Also - Social Sciences are ALL about the so called ''race''. Sociaology is all about gender, 'race' and class - From Eurocentralisation to Slavery - its all Sociology.
im black. and people in this day and age go on personality! why did u start this thread its ppl like u that make it a problem. we are all the same.
Originally posted by Eis
Do you reckon he'll reply any time soon? 😛
I don't think so...we could quote lyrics instead:
Standing in line marking time-
Waiting for the welfare dime
'Cause they can't buy a job
The man in the silk suit hurries by
As he catches the poor ladies' eyes
Just for fun he says "get a job"
CHORUS
That's just the way it is
Some things will never change
That's just the way it is
But don't you believe them
They say he little boy you can't go
Where the others go
'Cause you don't look like they do
Said hey old man how can you stand
To think that way
Did you really think about it
Before you made the rules
He said, Son
CHORUS
Well they passed a law in '64
To give those who ain't got a little more
But it only goes so far
Because the law don't change another's mind
When all it sees at the hiring time
Is the line on the color bar
CHORUS
Now that is an unbelievable song...and what Tupac made of it is very good too:
I see no changes wake up in the morning and I ask myself
is life worth living should I blast myself?
I'm tired of bein' poor & even worse I'm black
my stomach hurts so I'm lookin' for a purse to snatch
Cops give a damn about a negro
pull the trigger kill a nigga he's a hero
Give the crack to the kids who the hell cares
one less hungry mouth on the welfare
First ship 'em dope & let 'em deal the brothers
give 'em guns step back watch 'em kill each other
It's time to fight back that's what Huey said
2 shots in the dark now Huey's dead
I got love for my brother but we can never go nowhere
unless we share with each other
We gotta start makin' changes
learn to see me as a brother instead of 2 distant strangers
and that's how it's supposed to be
How can the Devil take a brother if he's close to me?
I'd love to go back to when we played as kids
but things changed, and that's the way it is
[Bridge w/ changing ad libs]
Come on come on
That's just the way it is
Things'll never be the same
That's just the way it is
aww yeah
[Repeat]
[2]
I see no changes all I see is racist faces
misplaced hate makes disgrace to races
We under I wonder what it takes to make this
one better place, let's erase the wasted
Take the evil out the people they'll be acting right
'cause both black and white is smokin' crack tonight
and only time we chill is when we kill each other
it takes skill to be real, time to heal each other
And although it seems heaven sent
We ain't ready, to see a black President, uhh
It ain't a secret don't conceal the fact
the penitentiary's packed, and it's filled with blacks
But some things will never change
try to show another way but you stayin' in the dope game
Now tell me what's a mother to do
bein' real don't appeal to the brother in you
You gotta operate the easy way
"I made a G today" But you made it in a sleazy way
sellin' crack to the kid. " I gotta get paid,"
Well hey, well that's the way it is
[Bridge]
[Talking:]
We gotta make a change...
It's time for us as a people to start makin' some changes.
Let's change the way we eat, let's change the way we live
and let's change the way we treat each other.
You see the old way wasn't working so it's on us to do
what we gotta do, to survive.
[3]
And still I see no changes can't a brother get a little peace
It's war on the streets & the war in the Middle East
Instead of war on poverty they got a war on drugs
so the police can bother me
And I ain't never did a crime I ain't have to do
But now I'm back with the blacks givin' it back to you
Don't let 'em jack you up, back you up,
crack you up and pimp slap you up
You gotta learn to hold ya own
they get jealous when they see ya with ya mobile phone
But tell the cops they can't touch this
I don't trust this when they try to rush I bust this
That's the sound of my tool you say it ain't cool
my mama didn't raise no fool
And as long as I stay black I gotta stay strapped
& I never get to lay back
'Cause I always got to worry 'bout the pay backs
some buck that I roughed up way back
comin' back after all these years
rat-tat-tat-tat-tat that's the way it is uhh
Re: wll said
Originally posted by omaga
im black. and people in this day and age go on personality! why did u start this thread its ppl like u that make it a problem. we are all the same.
If you think people (especially) in this day and age only go on personality then I'm gonna have to tell you to wake up and get real.
It's people like me that make it a problem? Well I would apologize for bringing up something up as profoundly impactive as black slavery but I won't because I have a right to voice my thoughts whether people like it or not or whether they disagree or not.
I created this thread not to create problems but merely to generally discuss it because I felt like discussing it on here.
So wake up and smell the Foldgers if you think mostly everything has "changed nowadays". It hasn't. For the most part.
Originally posted by omaga
im black. and people in this day and age go on personality! why did u start this thread its ppl like u that make it a problem. we are all the same.
I did not start this thread, for one.
Second, I find it extreamly rude and unjust of you to,
a)accuse me of 'racism' of any kind, and
b) assume certain things about me without actually having any idea about me, or about what I believe or think.
''People like me''? What kind of people are those!? You know NOTHING about me, so please spare me your insulting bullshit which implys any kind of racism!
You are black and you see that people today go on personality?!
Well then you must live in an extreamly tolerant and good part of UK, because for many black people that is not the case!
They are being denied so many things even today, and are subjected to racism, if not directly, than indirectly every single day!
I am quite interested which part of United Kingdom you come from where ALL people are so goddamned tolerant, of anyone who isn't white or British!