Black Slavery / White People

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
There is a point in raping and killing a four year old girl, you're saying.

Can you tell me what the point is then?

Tell me. Why would you rape and kill a 4 year old girl since you find there's a point to it?..

Well there is no point (at least no strong point) in it for me..that's why I won't do it, but the rapist surely had a point...be it to satisfy his urges or whatever.

Originally posted by D-Double
That must have been a spooky realization.

Good thing he didn't have to.

Originally posted by Bardock42
It is a big thing....but the worst of the last millennium? there are very strong cases possible for other incidents.

A strong case would obviously be every other form of Slavery in the last millennium.

Then there was the Inquisition, The Holocaust, Soviet Gulags, Soviet Famine and Party Member killings, South Africa Massacres, Oppression of Palestine, Multiple very disgusting wars...and probably thousand of others I can't think of.....

Nope but you were doing a good job Bardock42🙂 To think the slavery in the USA being the largest travesty in the last millenium is rather short sighted especially when you step back and realize there are others that are suffering through slavery today in this "enlightened" age.

OH man and I have to say I went to the holocaust museum in Washington DC and I have never been so shocked yuck..............

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Na.. Slavery was pointless. It shouldn't of happened. Breathing has a point. Getting a job has a point. Speaking the truth has a point. Wearing clothes has a point. Slavery had the hellish objectives it had but owning people as property and forcing them to work for free was naturally pointless. I'd equate slavery with ignorance more than with having a point.

Slavery isnt pointless, ese. Its very ecnomic, thats why civilizations have been practicing it throughout history.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Good thing he didn't have to.

Well you never know. I'm sure (if there is an afterlife) it can be pretty bad for the evil ones.

Originally posted by D-Double
Well you never know. I'm sure (if there is an afterlife) it can be pretty bad for the evil ones.

He wasn't actually an evil one though....just that he realized it makes him quite honest for his time.

Originally posted by Bardock42
He wasn't actually an evil one though....just that he realized it makes him quite honest for his time.

IMO, if you have what it takes to enslave someone like that, you're evil... doesn't really matter what time period you're in. There where lots of white people back then that were against slavery.

Even evil people have epiphanies about their own evilness.

Originally posted by D-Double
IMO, if you have what it takes to enslave someone like that, you're evil... doesn't really matter what time period you're in. There where lots of white people back then that were against slavery.

Even evil people have epiphanies about their own evilness.

Maybe Slavery isn't even evil...maybe being against slavery is evil.....and I don't think someone is evil for doing what they got taught every day.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Slavery isnt pointless, ese. Its very ecnomic, thats why civilizations have been practicing it throughout history.

Dude. It was pointless. We have an even stronger economy in the U.S. now with no slaves.

Slavery wasn't necessary. It was f***ing pointless. Like I said, I had objectives but to what end. At the "end" of U.S. slavery, what was accomplished? Nothing. It was pointless. All it did was brew the s*** that's happened during the next 141 years, which is exactly when Black Slavery "ended" in the US.

Not a long time ago. In fact, did you know when Larry King was a young boy he met and shook the hand of an old woman who herself met and shook the hands of Abraham Lincoln?, The then U.S. President that freed the slaves? I thought that was crazy..

[QUOTE=6123378]Originally posted by FistOfThe North

Not a long time ago. In fact, did you know when Larry King was a young boy he met and shook the hand of an old woman who herself met and shook the hands of Abraham Lincoln?, The then U.S. President that freed the slaves? I thought that was crazy..

Trust me, Abraham Lincoln didn't free the slaves because he thought slavery was wrong...So it's not that crazy.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Maybe Slavery isn't even evil...maybe being against slavery is evil....

lol wow..

Just wow. See. It's still around. It's mentality. But I don't blame the descendants. Historically, it was a recent event so it's still fresh in the mind.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
lol wow..

Just wow. See. It's still around. It's mentality. But I don't blame the descendants. Historically, it was a recent event so it's still fresh in the mind.

Well what is your arguement against it?

Originally posted by Darth Macabre
[QUOTE=6123378]Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Trust me, Abraham Lincoln didn't free the slaves because he thought slavery was wrong...So it's not that crazy.

You misread. I said her meeting with Abe Lincoln was crazy cause it goes to show how recent these events were.

And I should've quoted the word "freed". Honestly I don't care who "freed" them because whoever it was still made it near impossible for Blacks to live in America as U.S. citizens at that time. It took just over 100 years afterwards for blacks to have "rights" anyway.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well what is your arguement against it?

Hm. What can I say to a poster who thinks that there is indeed a point to raping a killing a 4 yr. old girl and thinks that Black Slavery wasn't evil. Or your evil if you're against Slavery.

This is a taught one, where do I start?

First of all, let us define evil, shall we?

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e·vil ( P ) Pronunciation Key (vl)

adj. e·vil·er, e·vil·est

1. Morally bad or wrong; wicked: an evil tyrant.
2. Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful: the evil effects of a poor diet.
3. Characterized by or indicating future misfortune; ominous: evil omens.
4. Bad or blameworthy by report; infamous: an evil reputation.
5. Characterized by anger or spite; malicious: an evil temper.

- Dictionary.com
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Mm..that sounds about right, wouldn't you agree?

I can easily equate Slavery with each of the 5 definitions I've listed up there. Slavery was evil.

original posted by FistOfThe North
Virginia was settled in the 1600's but Englishmen first stepped foot on U.S. soil in the early 1500's with slaves.

England first enduring settlement in todays USA was in 1607 and Jamestown Virgina they had an unsuccesfull attempt to settle Roanoke Island in 1587
Now who was the English that set foot in Virginia on US soil in early 1500 again? and the main labour the English first brought with them was poor English indentured servants not Africans

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Hm. What can I say to a poster who thinks that there is indeed a point to raping a killing a 4 yr. old girl and thinks that Black Slavery wasn't evil. Or your evil if you're against Slavery.

This is a taught one, where do I start?

First of all, let us define evil, shall we?

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e·vil ( P ) Pronunciation Key (vl)

adj. e·vil·er, e·vil·est

1. Morally bad or wrong; wicked: an evil tyrant.
2. Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful: the evil effects of a poor diet.
3. Characterized by or indicating future misfortune; ominous: evil omens.
4. Bad or blameworthy by report; infamous: an evil reputation.
5. Characterized by anger or spite; malicious: an evil temper.

- Dictionary.com
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Mm..that sounds about right, wouldn't you agree?

I can easily equate Slavery with each of the 5 definitions I've listed up there. Slavery was evil.

I can't. Maybe, just maybe, the second definition might apply in some scenarios but also only if you interpret these definitions to fit individuals. Whih makes them subjective again, so no, I can easily state that Slavery wasn't evil, and I would be just as right with it as you are saying it was.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I can't. Maybe, just maybe, the second definition might apply in some scenarios but also only if you interpret these definitions to fit individuals. Whih makes them subjective again, so no, I can easily state that Slavery wasn't evil, and I would be just as right with it as you are saying it was.

OK. So then easily state why you (may) think slavery wasn't evil?

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
OK. So then easily state why you (may) think slavery wasn't evil?

Sure people were opressed, and died, and had to work hard, but when did everyone agree that it is evil to enslave others? It might be evil in my opinion, and it might even be in my, but since it wasn't in the masters I guess we can't say it was evil per se.

Originally posted by finti
the first African slaves was in the Spanish owned parts of todays USA , the first of the African slaves to the English ruled of todays USA was in Virginia in 1619.

England first enduring settlement in todays USA was in 1607 and Jamestown Virgina they had an unsuccesfull attempt to settle Roanoke Island in 1587

Now who was the English that set foot in Virginia on US soil in early 1500 again?

and the main labour the English first brought with them was poor English indentured servants not Africans

English, Spanish, Portuguese, they were all European but to answer your question finiti, the first African slaves arrived in present day United States as part of the San Miguel de Gualdape colony (most likely located in the Winyah Bay area of present-day South Carolina), founded by Spanish explorer Lucas Vásquez de Ayllón in 1526. The ill-fated colony was almost immediately disrupted by a fight over leadership, during which the slaves revolted and fled the colony to seek refuge among local Native Americans. De'Ayllón and many of the colonists died shortly afterwards of an epidemic, and the colony was abandoned, leaving the escaped slaves behind on North American soil. In 1565 the colony of Saint Augustine in Florida became the first permanent European settlement in North America, and included an unknown number of African slaves.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Cause I don't see anything that is actually evil.

Sure people were opressed, and died, and had to work hard, but when did everyone agree that it is evil to enslave others? It might be evil in my opinion, and it might even be in my, but since it wasn't in the masters I guess we can't say it was evil per se.

You don't think that's it's evil to oppress people to death, make them work hard for free for centuries? lol You're either a confederist or a masochistic sadist. One of the 2.

OK. If slavery wasn't evil it had to've been good. Cause there's only good and evil, right? You're either one or the other. You can't be both and there is no in between. It's black and white.

What I want to know from you is what you personally think wasn't evil about slavery? Or what you think a slave trader thought wasn't evil about what they were doing. Even Jefferson admitted that "We're all going to pay for this one day." He obviously thought the worst was yet to come. You don't say something as ominous as what Jefferson to a "good" situation, Bradock42.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
You don't think that's it's evil to oppress people to death, make them work hard for free for centuries? lol You're either a confederist or a masochistic sadist. One of the 2.

OK. If slavery wasn't evil it had to've been good. Cause there's only good and evil, right? You're either one or the other. You can't be both and there is no in between. It's black and white.

What I want to know from you is what you personally think wasn't evil about slavery? Or what you think a slave trader thought wasn't evil about what they were doing. Even Jefferson admitted that "We're all going to pay for this one day." He obviously thought the worst was yet to come. You don't say something as ominous as what Jefferson to a "good" situation, Bradock42.

Didn't say that, i said it is not evil as such....I might think it is evil...but I don't own any absolute truth.

Wrong

Wait a second...did Jackson quote Jefferson or what? Do you just make up your quotes as you go along.....could you make sure who said what and when before you quote?

Well they made money from it that wasn't evil, they were able to built a good economy that wasn't evil....(I am not saying it was good, unlike you I don't see it as a Black and White thing...in fact I see i as grey....perfect grey......right in the middle)