Re: Re: Your ten most influential people of the last 100 years
Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
Physics: Einstein
Literature: Fyodor Dostoevsky
Classical Music: Rebecca Helferich Clarke
Popular Music: Bob Marley
Politics: John Kennedy
Art: Andy Warhol
Peace Prize: Martin Luther King
Dostoevsky wasn't especially influential, and besides, he died in the C19th.
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
It's not about who 'started it', though. It is about who has been the most influential.As for the Superman creators: you could make a case, although not as convincing.
Either way, that's not the point I made.
So what was the point VVD, I think the McDonalds of comics certainly had it's place although the product it produced went bankrupt in the late nineties.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
So what was the point VVD, I think the McDonalds of comics certainly had it's place although the product it produced went bankrupt in the late nineties.
Well, how many more things other than influence shall we bring into this?
Jesus. Why not just say 'the ten people who did something in the last however long.'
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Well, how many more things other than influence shall we bring into this?Jesus. Why not just say 'the ten people who did something in the last however long.'
Well it's influence or it's original characters popularity waned. It could be argued because it had strayed to far from the Lee/Kirby blueprint. With great power comes great responsibility not feet of clay etc. That though would in itself indicate the influence had waned to be superseeded by something else. Anyway I look forward to reading your reply tmz its nice talking comics even though thats not what the threads about. Are you going to post your ten or did I miss them? Goodnight anyway.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Well it's influence or it's original characters popularity waned. It could be argued because it had strayed to far from the Lee/Kirby blueprint. With great power comes great responsibility not feet of clay etc. That though would in itself indicate the influence had waned to be superseeded by something else.
Although influence pervades the things that supersede. That's why The Beatles have a strong case- not because modern bands directly use them, but because The Beatles were one of the founding pieces of the modern music puzzle. You can trace influence back to them from most bands in a '6 degrees of...' manner.
All modern comics owe a debt to that period of ridiculous creativity at Marvel.
Even in the case of Moore and the other modern writers like Miller and Morrison, who even while subverting and re-imagining the original themes demonstrate the impact of those works.
I didn't post a list yet.
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Although influence pervades the things that supersede. That's why The Beatles have a strong case- not because modern bands directly use them, but because The Beatles were one of the founding pieces of the modern music puzzle. You can trace influence back to them from most bands in a '6 degrees of...' manner.All modern comics owe a debt to that period of ridiculous creativity at Marvel.
Even in the case of Moore and the other modern writers like Miller and Morrison, who even while subverting and re-imagining the original themes demonstrate the impact of those works.
I didn't post a list yet.
I agree with much of your post, however Miracleman reimagined Captain Marvel (actually Fawcett comics Marvelman a copy of Captain Marvel). The Watchman owed morre to the JLA and inserted genres from outside of comics someting Moore had toyed with in Swampthing ad V god knows where V came from except Thatcher. Your point about that period and the Beatles remains true though it's influence is extremely far reaching. It's why I didn't choose a comic book though for my literature and I chose a more popularist writer rather than a niche writer, I think King has been the paperback Lennon for 30 years. 😉 Really off to bed now and please post your list I look forward to it!
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I agree with much of your post, however Miracleman reimagined Captain Marvel (actually Fawcett comics Marvelman a copy of Captain Marvel). The Watchman owed morre to the JLA and inserted genres from outside of comics someting Moore had toyed with in Swampthing ad V god knows where V came from except Thatcher. Your point about that period and the Beatles remains true though it's influence is extremely far reaching. It's why I didn't choose a comic book though for my literature and I chose a more popularist writer rather than a niche writer, I think King has been the paperback Lennon for 30 years. 😉 Really off to bed now and please post your list I look forward to it!
Yes, but the very milieu of Moore and the other modern writers builds on or dismantles the edifices that were constructed around that period; so for me, across the 100 year period there is a greater influence being imparted by those that have had more time to do so- be that the Marvel guys, or the DC counterparts.
Anyway- I only find a few of the categories interesting. I may post those ones.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
ad V god knows where V came from except Thatcher.
Actually, the article you partly posted goes into that some more. I will feel free to type some of the quote..cause, I can't find all of it on there..so, spelling mistakes are entirely up to me, since we know that Alan Moore is infallible.
Originally posted by Alan Moore
[...]One night, in desperation, I made a long list of concepts that I wanted to reflect in V, moving from one to another with a rapid free-association that would make any good psychiatristreach for the emergency cord. The list was something as follows:
Orwell. Huxley. Thomas Disch. Judge Dredd. Harlan Ellison's "Repent Harlequin! Said the Ticktockman." "Catman" and "Prowler in the City at the Edge of the World" by the same author. Vincent Price's Dr. Phibes and Theatre of Blood. David Bowie. The Shadow. Nightraven. Batman. Farenheit 451. The writings of the New Worlds school of science fiction. Max Ernst's painting "Europe After the Rains." Thomas Pynchon. The atmosphere of British Second World War films. The Prisoner. Robin Hood. Dick Turpin...
[...]
The big breakthrough was all Dave's, much as it sickens me to admit it. More remarkable still, it was all contained in one single letter that he'd dashed off the top of his head . . . I transcribe the relevant portions beneath:
"Re. The script: While I was writing this, I had this idea about the hero, which is a bit redundant now we've got [can't read this next bit] but nonetheless... I was thinking, why don't we portray him as a resurrected Guy Fawkes, complete with one of those papier mâché masks, in a cape and conical hat? He'd look really bizarre and it would give Guy Fawkes the image he's deserved all these years. We shouldn't burn the chap every Nov. 5th but celebrate his attempt to blow up Parliament!"The moment I read these words, two things occurred to me. Firstly, Dave was obviously a lot less sane than I hitherto believed him to be, and secondly, this was the best idea I'd ever heard in my entire life. All of the various fragments in my head suddenly fell into place, united behind the single image of a Guy Fawkes mask.
The article appeared in Warrior Magazine (#17) 1983.
And I think Victor is right although Superman and Batman probably influenced just as much if not more...taking into account that they had more time....then Kirby and Lee created a lot more......but well it's not about comics anyways, so.....
Originally posted by Bardock42
Physics: Einstein
Chemistry: Marie Curie maybe.....
Biology: Watson and Cricks
Maths: Maybe Courant
Literature: James Joyce...I guess.
Classical Music: Alban Berg
Popular Music: John Lennon
Politics: Hitler
Art: Salvador Dali
Peace Prize: Ghandi
I'm with ol' Bardocko - as I like to call him - on all of those choices bar 2...ish. I don't know who 'Alban Berg' is so I'd swap him for John Williams because I'm an idiot. I'd expand John Lennon to incompass the collective known as 'The Beatles', and I'd balance a salt shaker on Hitler's nose, so I could eventually swap him for some other fool like FDR because his influence was a slight more positive. Finally, I'd like to clap 5 times and say "Hooray!" because Joyce is the only choice for the literature category. Thrillers and mysteries were around way before Stephen King, so his influence is negligible compared to someone who invented a whole style of writing. As a finally final thing to say, I would remark that Ghandi is an exceptional choice, but ol' Mandela can't be far behind. OK, I'm done now.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
You're probably right about Hitler I guess he was the spark for change, although Stalin, Churchill, etc all make strong cases.
Indeed, however could it not be said that Hitler was also behind a vast amount of medical advancements? (Don't call me a Neo-Nazi Please I lost a fair few ancestors in those camps).
Physics:Einstein (of course)
Politics: Hitler, perhaps Stalin. (The USSR played a major role in how life has progressed in todays world)
Literature: JK Rowling (not a huge fan but she has raised the bar)
Music?: Jhon Lennon perhaps? Music with a message.
Political Institution/System/belief( I think this is rather important) Clearly Communism has had as major an impact in todays world as De Facto Catholicism did in the past. National Socialism and Apartheid also strong contenders)