When Doomsday first arrived on Earth and buried underground, how many years did it take him to dig himself out? Doomsday's feats are pretty much limited to beating up people and taking huge amounts of damage. He hasn't shattered a planet with a single punch (at least that I know of), ripped a core out of a star, held continents together, or towed a planet. IMO Doomsday would have a better chance if Drax didn't have the Power Gem. With it he literally has access to all power that does, has, or ever will exist. The longer the battle lasts, the more power Drax will draw from the gem. Doomsday's only real chance would be if he could one shot Drax and that's not going to happen.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
When did this happen?Drax lasts longer than most think but he probably coughs up the PG eventually.
http://marvel.wikia.com/Silver_Surfer_Vol_3_98
And this was an AMPED Champion!
Originally posted by Brockalizer
When Doomsday first arrived on Earth and buried underground, how many years did it take him to dig himself out? Doomsday's feats are pretty much limited to beating up people and taking huge amounts of damage. He hasn't shattered a planet with a single punch (at least that I know of), ripped a core out of a star, held continents together, or towed a planet. IMO Doomsday would have a better chance if Drax didn't have the Power Gem. With it he literally has access to all power that does, has, or ever will exist. The longer the battle lasts, the more power Drax will draw from the gem. Doomsday's only real chance would be if he could one shot Drax and that's not going to happen.
DD was tied up with New God metal. For all we know it is close to adamantium. He had to break out of one arm before he can dig out. Second, no one knows how long it took him to dig out. Third, DD doesn't have energy powers and thus can't hit the Earth in such a fashion that the whole Earth is affected but rather DOS used real life physics and DD rather hit holes in the dirt (like stabbing a watermelon with an iron toothpick). Drax had to be using some energy powers to affect the star's core. No one can grab an entire beach (or core of the star) by simply grabbing on to some sand (part of the core) in the ground (core) without some energy causation powers. Fourth, this is DOS DD you are talking about (the weakest version) and not HP DD or Gog Wars DD. The fact that DD proved stronger than OWAW Superman is enough.
Lastly, strength doesn't determine, nor is it a majority deciding factor in a forum match. Only amateurs argue the winner based off who is stronger. This is how we know the good debaters from the perpetrators. DD has the sufficient speed, strength, durability, HF, evolving factor, and relentless behavior to ice Drax in moments.
Originally posted by zopzop
http://marvel.wikia.com/Silver_Surfer_Vol_3_98And this was an AMPED Champion!
Here's the scan.
Originally posted by h1a8
DD was tied up with New God metal. For all we know it is close to adamantium. He had to break out of one arm before he can dig out. Second, no one knows how long it took him to dig out. Third, DD doesn't have energy powers and thus can't hit the Earth in such a fashion that the whole Earth is affected but rather DOS used real life physics and DD rather hit holes in the dirt (like stabbing a watermelon with an iron toothpick). Drax had to be using some energy powers to affect the star's core. No one can grab an entire beach (or core of the star) by simply grabbing on to some sand (part of the core) in the ground (core) without some energy causation powers. Fourth, this is DOS DD you are talking about (the weakest version) and not HP DD or Gog Wars DD. The fact that DD proved stronger than OWAW Superman is enough.Lastly, strength doesn't determine, nor is it a majority deciding factor in a forum match. Only amateurs argue the winner based off who is stronger. This is how we know the good debaters from the perpetrators. DD has the sufficient speed, strength, durability, HF, evolving factor, and relentless behavior to ice Drax in moments.
Originally posted by h1a8
DD was tied up with New God metal. For all we know it is close to adamantium. He had to break out of one arm before he can dig out. Second, no one knows how long it took him to dig out. Third, DD doesn't have energy powers and thus can't hit the Earth in such a fashion that the whole Earth is affected but rather DOS used real life physics and DD rather hit holes in the dirt (like stabbing a watermelon with an iron toothpick). Drax had to be using some energy powers to affect the star's core. No one can grab an entire beach (or core of the star) by simply grabbing on to some sand (part of the core) in the ground (core) without some energy causation powers. Fourth, this is DOS DD you are talking about (the weakest version) and not HP DD or Gog Wars DD. The fact that DD proved stronger than OWAW Superman is enough.Lastly, strength doesn't determine, nor is it a majority deciding factor in a forum match. Only amateurs argue the winner based off who is stronger. This is how we know the good debaters from the perpetrators. DD has the sufficient speed, strength, durability, HF, evolving factor, and relentless behavior to ice Drax in moments.
Originally posted by h1a8
DD was tied up with New God metal. For all we know it is close to adamantium. He had to break out of one arm before he can dig out. Second, no one knows how long it took him to dig out. Third, DD doesn't have energy powers and thus can't hit the Earth in such a fashion that the whole Earth is affected but rather DOS used real life physics and DD rather hit holes in the dirt (like stabbing a watermelon with an iron toothpick). Drax had to be using some energy powers to affect the star's core. No one can grab an entire beach (or core of the star) by simply grabbing on to some sand (part of the core) in the ground (core) without some energy causation powers. Fourth, this is DOS DD you are talking about (the weakest version) and not HP DD or Gog Wars DD. The fact that DD proved stronger than OWAW Superman is enough.Lastly, strength doesn't determine, nor is it a majority deciding factor in a forum match. Only amateurs argue the winner based off who is stronger. This is how we know the good debaters from the perpetrators. DD has the sufficient speed, strength, durability, HF, evolving factor, and relentless behavior to ice Drax in moments.
Originally posted by Brockalizer
Ignoring a significant strength advantage is not amateurish, it is sound logic. Granted that strength alone isn't enough to prevail in a fight, but Drax isn't exactly inexperienced either, he's been fighting galactic class threats for decades. HP Doomsday is extremely one dimensional as a fighter, all he has is brute force. Drax on the other hand has strength, intelligence (even child like intelligence is superior to anything HP Doomsday possesses), energy powers. You point out that Drax must've used his energy powers to accomplish his feats. Hulk is capable of destroying a planet and holding continents together, yet he doesn't have energy powers. When Drax ripped the core of the star out he didn't have the Power Gem. Yet, that feat alone shows that Drax could, at least theoretically, tear Doomsday limb from limb, literally. Add the Power Gem to the equation and not only is his strength increased exponentially, his ability to take damage increases as well. He didn't lose the gem to Thor because Thor physically beat him down and overpowered him. He lost it because Thor made him cough it up due to reflexive action, a plot device that was unique to that particular story and not available for a forum match...unless of course you allow for PIS.
Drax is not significantly stronger than DD (especially off 1 feat you are using). In that case, I can say DD is stronger since he overpowered Superman and Superman has infinite lifting feats. HP DD is super fast and will rip Drax apart before he can react. If he can rip Superman and many others then his fighting ability is top notch.
No, holding or manipulating a solid surface by brute force is within the realm of suspension of disbelief. But grabbing an entire beach just by grabbing some sand on it is only possible in a comic through energy manipulation. Even if Drax did the feat by pure brute force then it is still only 1 feat and it is still under Superman's best feats. DD is stronger than Superman and much more durable as well.
The PG does nothing for Drax. He's too dumb to use it properly. I've seen the PG make beings withstand blows without flinching. Yet Thor (and some others) was able to easily push his sht in and make him cough it up. That is proof that Drax isn't using the PG properly. PIS goes against a large majority of a character's history. You can't rule 1 time feats as non PIS while ruling feats that are similar that happened several times as PIS. The core star feat would be PIS more than Thor making Drax cough the PG up. Even accepting the star feat as non PIS, Drax is still outclassed by DD in everyway.
DD is stronger than Drax with the power gem. It's not like Drax puts on the gem and is instantly all powerful. He has to work his way up, but unfortunately, he has a long way to go to get to DD's leve and so dies.
I am not sure why everyone is on H1's case, but how are you going to break up fire and energy with your biceps?
Originally posted by h1a8How the hell do you equate ripping out a stars core with trying to lift a beach? A beach is composed of billions of tiny individual pieces of sand so of course you can't lift it. A star's core is a solid object, usually iron. When gripped you don't get tiny bits of star core slipping through your fingers the way sand does. Sure Doomsday killed a significantly weaker version of Superman and ALMOST killed Darkseid. Drax ripped Thanos's heart out. And before you go into the whole "Drax is Thanos's kryptonite" bs, remember the same argument can apply to Superman and Doomsday, after all it has been clearly stated that Doomsday, being created on Krypton, instinctually seeks out and destroy's Kryptonians. Granted both Drax and Doomsday are super strong and both have super speed but you have yet to illustrate Doomsday being superior to Drax in either of them. All you have is "well he overpowered Superman".
Drax is not significantly stronger than DD (especially off 1 feat you are using). In that case, I can say DD is stronger since he overpowered Superman and Superman has infinite lifting feats. HP DD is super fast and will rip Drax apart before he can react. If he can rip Superman and many others then his fighting ability is top notch.
No, holding or manipulating a solid surface by brute force is within the realm of suspension of disbelief. But grabbing an entire beach just by grabbing some sand on it is only possible in a comic through energy manipulation. Even if Drax did the feat by pure brute force then it is still only 1 feat and it is still under Superman's best feats. DD is stronger than Superman and much more durable as well.The PG does nothing for Drax. He's too dumb to use it properly. I've seen the PG make beings withstand blows without flinching. Yet Thor (and some others) was able to easily push his sht in and make him cough it up. That is proof that Drax isn't using the PG properly. PIS goes against a large majority of a character's history. You can't rule 1 time feats as non PIS while ruling feats that are similar that happened several times as PIS. The core star feat would be PIS more than Thor making Drax cough the PG up. Even accepting the star feat as non PIS, Drax is still outclassed by DD in everyway.
Originally posted by Brockalizer
How the hell do you equate ripping out a stars core with trying to lift a beach? A beach is composed of billions of tiny individual pieces of sand so of course you can't lift it. A star's core is a solid object, usually iron. When gripped you don't get tiny bits of star core slipping through your fingers the way sand does. Sure Doomsday killed a significantly weaker version of Superman and ALMOST killed Darkseid. Drax ripped Thanos's heart out. Thanos would make Superman his b*tch. And before you go into the whole "Drax is Thanos's kryptonite" bs, remember the same argument can apply to Superman and Doomsday, after all it has been clearly stated that Doomsday, being created on Krypton, instinctually seeks out and destroy's Kryptonians. Granted both Drax and Doomsday are super strong and both have super speed but you have yet to illustrate Doomsday being superior to Drax in either of them. All you have is "well he overpowered Superman".
Originally posted by Brockalizer
How the hell do you equate ripping out a stars core with trying to lift a beach? A beach is composed of billions of tiny individual pieces of sand so of course you can't lift it. A star's core is a solid object, usually iron. When gripped you don't get tiny bits of star core slipping through your fingers the way sand does. Sure Doomsday killed a significantly weaker version of Superman and ALMOST killed Darkseid. Drax ripped Thanos's heart out. And before you go into the whole "Drax is Thanos's kryptonite" bs, remember the same argument can apply to Superman and Doomsday, after all it has been clearly stated that Doomsday, being created on Krypton, instinctually seeks out and destroy's Kryptonians. Granted both Drax and Doomsday are super strong and both have super speed but you have yet to illustrate Doomsday being superior to Drax in either of them. All you have is "well he overpowered Superman".
Wrong, a star core is gas, liquid, and plasma. Nothing is solid in it. Iron (although in scattered molecules) is either in liquid form or in plasma form in the core. Learn your physics. Second, you keep referring to DOS (the weakest version). Why assume the weakest version of DD in this fight? Later DDs also proved to be stronger than more current Supermans.
Mostly everyone here, except you, seems to believe that Drax could only affect Thanos because of his genetic makeup (not so much his brute strength). Even the biggest of all Thanos fans here (Quanchi) accepts that Drax was Thanos kryptonite. Thus any feat Drax has against Thanos is believed as such. Second, Thanos hasn't proven his body (chest area) to be very durable against physical blunt attacks. Sure he is durable against energy projection, but against his flesh being penetrated or ripped by physical contact, not so much. A very small moment around a black hole ripped his flesh up good.
DD wasn't specifically engineered to be Superman's kryptonite like Drax was for Thanos. DD was designed to become the ultimate being and become superior to all. So I don't know where you are going with that.
Drax doesn't have any super speed. DD has proven to be as fast as a casual flash. He has several feats proving that he is far faster than Drax. DD is at least millions of times faster than Drax in battle.
Again, DD has proven stronger than a being who has several infinite feats. Overpowering someone stronger than Drax proves that you are stronger.
