Originally posted by Ronny
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=393567&highlight=rebel+rebel
Originally posted by BackFire
Uh, I think them making fun of Iraqi's should be the least of your worries.
not really backfire. in fact its directly related to the killing.
the people within an occupied country are dehumanised and
thus easier to kill indiscriminately. during vietnam, people at home
saw south vietnamese and vietcong, but our troops were conditioned
to just see 'gooks'. its sad but thats how our military is able to
convince ordinary kids to kill on command without question, in
that they are conditioned to be ready to kill everyone 🙁
Originally posted by BackFire
That doesn't have anything to do with making fun of people. Making fun doesn equal dehumanization. Good lord, what a ridiculous exageration of the actual topic at hand, PVS.
its not an exageration backfire, its a mentallity. soldiers dont just do pushups and run obsticle coarses. they are programmed to kill.
and i suppose when the people who kill your buddies look the same
as the people who you are supposed to protect, that confuses things even more.
and from what ronny posted she implied that they were comparing citizens to terrorists. not just 'making fun' in the sense of 'oh look she's fat haha' or 'oh look he has buck teeth haha' etc
Originally posted by PVS
its not an exageration backfire, its a mentallity. soldiers dont just do pushups and run obsticle coarses. they are programmed to kill.
and i suppose when the people who kill your buddies look the same
as the people who you are supposed to protect, that confuses things even more.and from what ronny posted she implied that they were comparing citizens to terrorists. not just 'making fun' in the sense of 'oh look she's fat haha' or 'oh look he has buck teeth haha' etc
Yeah, it is an exaggeration, man. A big one. You're implying that them verbally making fun of people means that they're about to kill them or something.
Them being "programmed to kill" doesn't mean they're going to just randomly kill some iraqi citizen on a whim. It means they're prepared to kill if they need to. If all they're doing is verbally making fun of some iraqi citizen, then that's not a problem. If they DO actually end up hurting them or anyone else because of that, that's when it becomes a problem, which isn't necessarily going to happen, obviously. As long as their shit stays verbal then it's not a problem.
Also, where did this apparant expertise on a soldiers training and mentality come from? Surely from an objective and accurate source not affiliated with a biased liberal agenda, right?
Originally posted by BackFire
Yeah, it is an exaggeration, man. A big one. You're implying that them verbally making fun of people means that they're about to kill them or something.Them being "programmed to kill" doesn't mean they're going to just randomly kill some iraqi citizen on a whim. It means they're prepared to kill if they need to. If all they're doing is verbally making fun of some iraqi citizen, then that's not a problem. If they DO actually end up hurting them or anyone else because of that, that's when it becomes a problem, which isn't necessarily going to happen, obviously. As long as their shit stays verbal then it's not a problem.
Also, where did this apparant expertise on a soldiers training and mentality come from? Surely from an objective and accurate source not affiliated with a biased liberal agenda, right?
friends and family who have served. doesnt make me an expert, but i know enough to tell that war is apparently a clusterf*** of confusion when, like i said, you are defending people who seem the same as the people whom you are killing. you're thinking in black and white and putting words in my mouth, which im sure is beneath you and you're just having a rough night.
what i said was, again, that the mentallity is a product of dehumanisation. try living in a situation where you have a large group of people whom you are risking your life to protect and one of them runs up to you and kills your friends in a suicide bombing. fast forward three years later and lets see if you can maintain that black and white thinking. i think your respect for everyone would drop through the floor out of general despair and mistrust. doesnt mean you would want to kill them, but dont you think you would start to hate them....just a bit?
Originally posted by PVS
friends and family who have served. doesnt make me an expert, but i know enough to tell that war is apparently a clusterf*** of confusion when, like i said, you are defending people who seem the same as the people whom you are killing. you're thinking in black and white and putting words in my mouth, which im sure is beneath you and you're just having a rough night.
This is all well and good, but has little to do with the topic at hand. This thread wasn't about the dehumanization of soldiers or their confusion of the enemy - Take that to a Full Metal Jacket discussion thread. It was about some soldiers "making fun" of Iraqi citizens. I never denied that this CAN become a great problem. Simply that it isn't in it's current form and if it stays in the verbal stages and isn't said in a serious or dangerous manner, than it's not something to worry about. In a war where there are people getting their heads cut off and soldiers being murdered there are far more important things going on over there than some soldiers joking about an Iraqi citizen. I also have friends over there and according to them they certainly aren't "programed to kill". They're prepared to if they have to, but it's not like they're walking around looking for some Iraqi to kill to quench their insatiable appetite for death.
what i said was, again, that the mentallity is a product of dehumanisation. try living in a situation where you have a large group of people whom you are risking your life to protect and one of them runs up to you and kills your friends in a suicide bombing. fast forward three years later and lets see if you can maintain that black and white thinking.
I will when you will.
Also, nothing about what I said was "black and white". If you don't think that there are worse things going on over there than some soldier talking shit about an Iraqi citizen than you're reasoning is completely void.