Did Batman and Robin actually save comic book movies?

Originally posted by Mr Parker
well if their not going to do the characters justice,call the movie something else like Black Leather Men.dont call it the xmen.

If in the film the characters in Xmen had worn bright colourful outfits then it would have looked ridiculous! True, in the original comics they wore these costumes but times change and even the comics reflect this. The black costumes in the films were great as they didn't make it look corny. The bright colours worked in the cartoon version because that was a cartoon, this is a film and having them all dress in black leather makes sense and does the characters justice because it doesn't look cheesy.

Originally posted by smiley8
If in the film the characters in Xmen had worn bright colourful outfits then it would have looked ridiculous! True, in the original comics they wore these costumes but times change and even the comics reflect this. The black costumes in the films were great as they didn't make it look corny. The bright colours worked in the cartoon version because that was a cartoon, this is a film and having them all dress in black leather makes sense and does the characters justice because it doesn't look cheesy.

Some of the characters still sucked though... 😬

Originally posted by smiley8
If in the film the characters in Xmen had worn bright colourful outfits then it would have looked ridiculous! True, in the original comics they wore these costumes but times change and even the comics reflect this.

Superman has kept his red, yellow, and blue costume in the movies/cartoons/tv shows and he looks very iconic and heroic. Why can't they do the same for the X-men? If they're going with black to make them look like badasses that is just corny. The times have nothing to do with the costume. I can understand upgrading the costume...but to completely change it is just not right. Sorry it just isn't the same for certain cases. The Batman costume has gone through some changes. However, his dark image still remains intact. The X-men have never been known for having a dark image.

hey, New X men have suits like that too...

Originally posted by Knightfall93
Yep, becaue Val had really been lookingm into the chemistry of those anals he was giving the old guy...

If you got that from the film then you have a sick and twisted mind.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Superman has kept his red, yellow, and blue costume in the movies/cartoons/tv shows and he looks very iconic and heroic. Why can't they do the same for the X-men? If they're going with black to make them look like badasses that is just corny. The times have nothing to do with the costume. I can understand upgrading the costume...but to completely change it is just not right. Sorry it just isn't the same for certain cases. The Batman costume has gone through some changes. However, his dark image still remains intact. The X-men have never been known for having a dark image.

Both superman and Batman have kept their costumes through the ages because their costumes define the characters and are iconic symbols. The xmen have never been iconic for the costumes, it is their individual mutant powers that make the Xmen. When Christopher Reeve became Superman in 1978 and wore the bright blue, red and yellow, it fitted the time of the 70's. However, look at how Superman costume in Superman Returns looks like; it is still the same colour but a darker shade. Same thing goes for the recent spiderman costume, it isn't as bright and shiny as the cartoon. This is becasue to make it as believable as possible the costumes need to be updated. The black leathers for the xmen shows the unity in the team and how they are all different because of their powers they also are one of a team. This is what was needed to portray this in a movie made in the time we now live in.

I think it's better, it makes them look like a real team, not just losers in brightly coloureed costumes...

Originally posted by smiley8
If in the film the characters in Xmen had worn bright colourful outfits then it would have looked ridiculous! True, in the original comics they wore these costumes but times change and even the comics reflect this. The black costumes in the films were great as they didn't make it look corny. The bright colours worked in the cartoon version because that was a cartoon, this is a film and having them all dress in black leather makes sense and does the characters justice because it doesn't look cheesy.

no it DOESNT make sense.your not listening.if your not going to stay loyal to the source material and your going to radically change the costumes to such a degree,then call the movie something else,dont call it the xmen. 🙄

Originally posted by smiley8
Both superman and Batman have kept their costumes through the ages because their costumes define the characters and are iconic symbols. The xmen have never been iconic for the costumes, it is their individual mutant powers that make the Xmen. When Christopher Reeve became Superman in 1978 and wore the bright blue, red and yellow, it fitted the time of the 70's. However, look at how Superman costume in Superman Returns looks like; it is still the same colour but a darker shade. Same thing goes for the recent spiderman costume, it isn't as bright and shiny as the cartoon. This is becasue to make it as believable as possible the costumes need to be updated. The black leathers for the xmen shows the unity in the team and how they are all different because of their powers they also are one of a team. This is what was needed to portray this in a movie made in the time we now live in.

Amen to this. In some situations you can keep the iconic costumes almost picture-perfect, like Superman's and Spiderman's, because the on-screen presentation actually works. It's kind of hard to explain it, but the colors and the way the costume looks just works. But in other circumstances, particularly the X-Men's, you have to change them onscreen otherwise they'll look godawful onscreen. I read somewhere that Bryan Singer actually tried using Wolverine's pointy eared yellow and blue costume during the preproduction stage, but it looked so bad on film it was obvious why they had to change it.

well I never liked the xmen comics in the first place so Im not going to try and spell it out for you guys anymore.either you understand it was a horrible idea and betrayed the comics or you dont.

hey systemshock,check your pm box.I have sent you quite a few pm messages.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
well I never liked the xmen comics in the first place so Im not going to try and spell it out for you guys anymore.either you understand it was a horrible idea and betrayed the comics or you dont.

I don't think it actually matters whether u like the xmen or not... 😕 the fact is that a Xmen film was being made in the year 2000 based on a comic from the forties. To stay true to the source u cannot just lift the images from paper to film. There has to be changes for a movie to look like a movie. You probably think that they shouldn't have had mobile phones in the films because they betray the comics!!! 😄

No its okay to have mobile phones because thats an instance where an update makes sense.but the costumes betray the characters.do it right or dont do it at all.

Originally posted by smiley8
I don't think it actually matters whether u like the xmen or not... 😕 the fact is that a Xmen film was being made in the year 2000 based on a comic from the forties. To stay true to the source u cannot just lift the images from paper to film. There has to be changes for a movie to look like a movie. You probably think that they shouldn't have had mobile phones in the films because they betray the comics!!! 😄

Originally posted by Knightfall93
Actually, your info is WAY wrong. try the 60s, not the 40s. And, Mr Parker, X Men comics are awesome...

Sorry, my mistake but whether from 60's or whenever a film has to be adapted for audiences who are going to see it and that can't be for just comic book fans, it has to appeal to the masses yet retain its integrity of the original comics and i think X men does that just great. the costume changes don't ruin it 1 bit.

I know... technically, Batman's costume's been adapted a lot for a new era. Also... Superboy... Nightwing... there'sm some huge changes!! Even comics do them! You dont moan that BB made the Gatamobile into a tank

Originally posted by smiley8
However, look at how Superman costume in Superman Returns looks like; it is still the same colour but a darker shade. Same thing goes for the recent spiderman costume, it isn't as bright and shiny as the cartoon. This is becasue to make it as believable as possible the costumes need to be updated.

Exactly, nothing beats the original. Now, why couldn't they do the same for Xmen costumes? make their colorful costume a bit more darker color rather than all black.

Originally posted by smiley8
black leathers for the xmen shows the unity in the team and how they are all different because of their powers they also are one of a team.

Sorry, they look like Star Trek characters to me with the same costume color and the X logo on the side. Add Patrick Steward as professor X and you get the crew of the Interprise ship. There is no room for individuality except for their powers. Kinda leaves an empty feeling.

That's a retarded comment...

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Exactly, nothing beats the original. Now, why couldn't they do the same for Xmen costumes? make their colorful costume a bit more darker color rather than all black.

Because like i said earlier, the xmen's colourful costumes are not what make the characters, like supermans costume does. Changing Supermans costume would take away the symbol of the character, by changing the Xmen's costumes this doesn't effect it in the same way at all, plus having them all in yellows, blues and greens would take away from the realism of the story....they would look like a bunch of amateur clowns..... and before u say it works in the comics, comics look very different visually to movies.

Originally posted by smiley8
Because like i said earlier, the xmen's colourful costumes are not what make the characters, like supermans costume does. Changing Supermans costume would take away the symbol of the character, by changing the Xmen's costumes this doesn't effect it in the same way at all, plus having them all in yellows, blues and greens would take away from the realism of the story....they would look like a bunch of amateur clowns..... and before u say it works in the comics, comics look very different visually to movies.

But again it would work better (key word here "better"😉 if they had their original costumes with a darker tone. That is basically my critique on how the characters look in the films.

You said "comics look very different visually to movies." I sincerely hope you saw Sin City. Which IMO it proves that you can transfer the comic to film. When dedication and colaboration is put into a film you get wonders. In the case of Sin City Rodriguez and Miller worked together to bring the beauty of the comic to the film. Whereas Marvel and 20th Century Fox haven't done so with Xmen.