The Forbidden Gospel of Judas?

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debbiejo Dreamer

Originally posted by MARCMAN
Paul never contradicted the OT and was actually scholar of the OT, debbiejo. I would need to read about Mithra but even if they are similarities (not sure IF there are any) it still does not make the gospel of judas valid.
Well for one in the OT women were priestesses and Judges, but Paul told women they could not teach in the church........In the OT we are told to multiply, Paul said it is better to not be married. The OT said men, even those in your camps living with you, had to be circumcised, Paul said not everybody. .....Just a few examples.

debbiejo Dreamer

Originally posted by Gregory
Maybe he was illiterate. Most people of his class probably were.
Doubtful if he stood up in the temple and read the scrolls out loud.

Darth Macabre Grey King of the Debb
Originally posted by MARCMAN
Paul never contradicted the OT and was actually scholar of the OT, debbiejo. I would need to read about Mithra but even if they are similarities (not sure IF there are any) it still does not make the gospel of judas valid.

Most beliefs about Jesus Christ are inspired by Mithra.....Why do you think christians celebrate Jesus' birth on Decemeber 25?

debbiejo Dreamer

I posted a link about Mithra in this thread on the first page. I wonder if anyone will read it and compare...

Darth Macabre Grey King of the Debb
Originally posted by debbiejo
I posted a link about Mithra in this thread on the first page. I wonder if anyone will read it and compare...

Probably not.....It's a shame really....Mithra was around way before Jesus.

ushomefree Senior Member

It's a shame some people put so much stock into Mithra; Mithra never resurrected. Jesus Christ did! Mithra was a legend- a product of one's imagination. You can buy books about the story in the religious "fictional" section at most book stores. Jesus is historical truth, and their is tons of evidence to support that claim, even sources outside of the bible. Nobody cares about Mithra (ha ha ha)! Fact is, the resurrection of Jesus Christ was falsifiable, but nothing of the sort happened. All the Jews and Roman authorities had to do is produce the dead body of Jesus! They had all the power in the world to do so!! That would have been the end of Christianity. Some may say that the body was stolen? Well... if that is true, why did the Jews and Romans make other claims in addition to that theory? It's ironic, not one conspiracy theory ever stated that the tomb "wasn't" empty. Jesus's body was never produced, and then you have countless eyewitness testimony confirming that Jesus was seen alive. The gospels were circulated openly while most of the eyewitnesses were still alive. If they were not true, they would have been disputed, but they were not. How do you explain that? And how do you explain Christianity originating in Jerusalem? How do you explain Christianity consuming the Roman empire? People don't rise from the dead all the time; this should have been a no brainer. The resurrection must have happened! Regarding the Gospel of Judas? They church probably rejected it, not because they were bent on deceiving, but because it was written about 300 AD!! 300 AD (ha ha ha)! If someone wrote current, or near currrent literature about you, and someone came along 300 hundred years later making different claims, people wouldn't take that seriously. Oh... but give that skeptic a bible and associate him with the Christian church, then there is some kind of conspiracy going on. I don't understand all the fuss.

debbiejo Dreamer

Jesus is historical truth
Prove it.

Josephus never even mentioned him!!!!!!!...........ONE PARAGRAPH was added at a later date, but not in earlier manuscripts.

Tricky church..........control is everything...............

You talk about Christianity.........how about it was really the Gnostic's that were the ones that were persecuted.....possibly?......the church would also edit that also...........the church at that time was very controlling and evil. We all know that, don't we????...It would be ignorant to not think so....It was all about power, land and control.

Shakyamunison Nam Myoho Renge Kyo
Originally posted by ushomefree
It's a shame some people put so much stock into Mithra; Mithra never resurrected. Jesus Christ did! Mithra was a legend- a product of one's imagination. You can buy books about the story in the religious "fictional" section at most book stores. Jesus is historical truth, and their is tons of evidence to support that claim, even sources outside of the bible. Nobody cares about Mithra (ha ha ha)! Fact is, the resurrection of Jesus Christ was falsifiable, but nothing of the sort happened. All the Jews and Roman authorities had to do is produce the dead body of Jesus! They had all the power in the world to do so!! That would have been the end of Christianity. Some may say that the body was stolen? Well... if that is true, why did the Jews and Romans make other claims in addition to that theory? It's ironic, not one conspiracy theory ever stated that the tomb "wasn't" empty. Jesus's body was never produced, and then you have countless eyewitness testimony confirming that Jesus was seen alive. The gospels were circulated openly while most of the eyewitnesses were still alive. If they were not true, they would have been disputed, but they were not. How do you explain that? And how do you explain Christianity originating in Jerusalem? How do you explain Christianity consuming the Roman empire? People don't rise from the dead all the time; this should have been a no brainer. The resurrection must have happened! Regarding the Gospel of Judas? They church probably rejected it, not because they were bent on deceiving, but because it was written about 300 AD!! 300 AD (ha ha ha)! If someone wrote current, or near currrent literature about you, and someone came along 300 hundred years later making different claims, people wouldn't take that seriously. Oh... but give that skeptic a bible and associate him with the Christian church, then there is some kind of conspiracy going on. I don't understand all the fuss.

Jesus was not resurrected because he did not die on the cross. Many accounts of people surviving crucifixion can be found in the historical records. Crucifixion was not a form of execution; it was a form of punishment. If the Romans wished you dead, they would cut your stomach open.

debbiejo Dreamer

Besides, people don't die in 3 hours on the cross..

ushomefree Senior Member

Debbiejo, Christians didn't have power at the origins of Christianity. Remember? They were the ones being killed! The resurrection, however, did have power. And no one (not even the worst of skeptics) could refute it! Jesus Christ's resurrection birthed the Christian church, not the apostles bent on power. How can you even say that?? The crucifixion was a form of punishment. Your right Shaky! But, you forgot to mention that is was punishment by death; it was death by suffocation. Whether it took 5 minutes or 5 hours for Jesus to pass is irrelevant. Jesus died on the cross, then He was buried. Then He rose from the dead defeating sin. It's a gift for you and I for crying out loud. Jesus is not the enemy.

debbiejo Dreamer

Oh ushomefree.............let me buy you dinner....eat
lol

Besides, it's only medical and physiology.

ushomefree Senior Member

Really? Your not going to poison it are you (ha ha ha)!? Take care. 🙂

debbiejo Dreamer

Jesus is not the enemy
NO, Jesus is not the enemy....It's what the church did to him that is..........I feel Jesus was sent with a message to us...........damn church screws with things for control of us all.........At the time it was for money and control of land and people, today, it's money and control of the masses...........hmmm

ushomefree Senior Member

Not to get into specifics, but I agree with the latter half of your statement.

debbiejo Dreamer

This part?

damn church screws with things for control of us all.........At the time it was for money and control of land and people, today, it's money and control of the masses...........hmmm
At that time period it was all about control...........they thought "How could we control the people"....Is this nothing new in politics............Shape the people minds and you have control of them.....Set up monasteries everywhere.............have you seen the ancient maps of it?......They set their churches every damn where.....and I mean like you were always watched......Did you know that Ireland was already a follower. but the Roman church stepped in and edged them out, or others moved away, because of the pressure of the Roman Church?.They installed Easter, Christmas, Saints days which were alway to be taken seriousssssssssly.........you were asked ok, lets say tested....................Do you realize that god works in mysterious ways not always known to us, and that religions say that if it is not understood that it is of Satan?....Do you know that hell in OT teachings means only death in the original language?

Darth Macabre Grey King of the Debb
Originally posted by ushomefree
It's a shame some people put so much stock into Mithra; Mithra never resurrected. Jesus Christ did! Mithra was a legend- a product of one's imagination. You can buy books about the story in the religious "fictional" section at most book stores. Jesus is historical truth, and their is tons of evidence to support that claim, even sources outside of the bible. Nobody cares about Mithra (ha ha ha)! Fact is, the resurrection of Jesus Christ was falsifiable, but nothing of the sort happened. All the Jews and Roman authorities had to do is produce the dead body of Jesus! They had all the power in the world to do so!! That would have been the end of Christianity. Some may say that the body was stolen? Well... if that is true, why did the Jews and Romans make other claims in addition to that theory? It's ironic, not one conspiracy theory ever stated that the tomb "wasn't" empty. Jesus's body was never produced, and then you have countless eyewitness testimony confirming that Jesus was seen alive. The gospels were circulated openly while most of the eyewitnesses were still alive. If they were not true, they would have been disputed, but they were not. How do you explain that? And how do you explain Christianity originating in Jerusalem? How do you explain Christianity consuming the Roman empire? People don't rise from the dead all the time; this should have been a no brainer. The resurrection must have happened! Regarding the Gospel of Judas? They church probably rejected it, not because they were bent on deceiving, but because it was written about 300 AD!! 300 AD (ha ha ha)! If someone wrote current, or near currrent literature about you, and someone came along 300 hundred years later making different claims, people wouldn't take that seriously. Oh... but give that skeptic a bible and associate him with the Christian church, then there is some kind of conspiracy going on. I don't understand all the fuss.

It's funny how you're so quick to put down Mithra, and Mithraism, saying that there's no proof.....When half of what you said was wrong.

debbiejo Dreamer

Comparisons make one enlightened.

Soleran Fast As Time

Originally posted by debbiejo
This part?

....Do you know that hell in OT teachings means only death in the original language?

Um is that like what it's like for adults at Chucky Cheese, cuz then I understand you.

Darth Macabre Grey King of the Debb
Originally posted by debbiejo
Comparisons make one enlightened.

Uhh huh, compare Mithraism and Christianity, and you will have a feeling of De Ja Vu.

debbiejo Dreamer

Originally posted by Soleran
Um is that like what it's like for adults at Chucky Cheese, cuz then I understand you.
I said what I meant...........