The Forbidden Gospel of Judas?

Started by Arachnoidfreak10 pages
Originally posted by Darth Jello
the ROMANS killed jesus, god, i wish someone would punch mel gibson in the face

Um..what? I didn't get that from Mel Gibson's movie, it's in the bible. the people(jews) cheered for Jesus' crucifixion and the freedom of barabas. pontius pilate does send jesus to herod, and herod cant figure out what to do with him, so pilate takes him back and lets the people decide what they want to do with him. the people being jews.

yes, roman guards escorted him and hung him on the cross, but that's a technicality. no roman officer ever ordered it directly, he left the decision to the people.

10 years of forced christianity is a *****.

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Um..what? I didn't get that from Mel Gibson's movie, it's in the bible. the people(jews) cheered for Jesus' crucifixion and the freedom of barabas. pontius pilate does send jesus to herod, and herod cant figure out what to do with him, so pilate takes him back and lets the people decide what they want to do with him. the people being jews.

yes, roman guards escorted him and hung him on the cross, but that's a technicality. no roman officer ever ordered it directly, he left the decision to the people.

10 years of forced christianity is a *****.

Well from what I've heard Mel, ()who is btw one of my fav, actor) Didn't take his movie on just scripture, but fom another source... out side the bible..........who knows....Some other outside writer......Keep in mind scripture was all edited for a purpose.....And Jews have been the scape goat for all centuries........What if this story isn't really true...............Shame on so many people for judging those ..........it could or not be true...........My god ....don't listen to Mel, even though I do like him........He's instituted his own church that only speaks Latin..............Strick Roman Catholic.............

Darth Macabre

What was incorrect about my statement?

"It's a shame some people put so much stock into Mithra; Mithra never resurrected. Jesus Christ did! Mithra was a legend- a product of one's imagination. You can buy books about the story in the religious "fictional" section at most book stores. Jesus is historical truth, and their is tons of evidence to support that claim, even sources outside of the bible. Nobody cares about Mithra (ha ha ha)! Fact is, the resurrection of Jesus Christ was falsifiable, but nothing of the sort happened. All the Jews and Roman authorities had to do is produce the dead body of Jesus! They had all the power in the world to do so!! That would have been the end of Christianity. Some may say that the body was stolen? Well... if that is true, why did the Jews and Romans make other claims in addition to that theory? It's ironic, not one conspiracy theory ever stated that the tomb "wasn't" empty. Jesus's body was never produced, and then you have countless eyewitness testimony confirming that Jesus was seen alive. The gospels were circulated openly while most of the eyewitnesses were still alive. If they were not true, they would have been disputed, but they were not. How do you explain that? And how do you explain Christianity originating in Jerusalem? How do you explain Christianity consuming the Roman empire? People don't rise from the dead all the time; this should have been a no brainer. The resurrection must have happened! Regarding the Gospel of Judas? They church probably rejected it, not because they were bent on deceiving, but because it was written about 300 AD!! 300 AD (ha ha ha)! If someone wrote current, or near currrent literature about you, and someone came along 300 hundred years later making different claims, people wouldn't take that seriously. Oh... but give that skeptic a bible and associate him with the Christian church, then there is some kind of conspiracy going on. I don't understand all the fuss."

How you can possibly say that Mithra is a legend, and Jesus Christ (son of God) is historical fact....That is wrong...Anything after that is complete and utter useless ramblings.

How??

Read it.

Originally posted by ushomefree
How??

Don't really understand what you mean by how? But if you mean how I think you mean it, then it's due to the fact you don't know much about Mithra. (It seemed in your posts. Don't know if it's true, just seemed like it. So don't take it as a personal attack on your intelligence.)

Just look at the life Jesus supposedly lived, compared to the "legend of Mithra" as you so eloquently put it....And you'll see the similarities.

Originally posted by Soleran
Um is that like what it's like for adults at Chucky Cheese, cuz then I understand you.
😂 Now I get it...........hahahahaha............I hate that place............It's like mental torment........kinda like hell................OH, THAT'S WHERE HELL IS!!! 😈

Originally posted by ushomefree
"It's a shame some people put so much stock into Mithra; Mithra never resurrected. Jesus Christ did!

Thousands of years before Jesus, there was another passion story told about a God man, born of a virgin mother, in a stable. He travels about with his followers, preaching and performing miracles, including turning water into wine. Eventually, he incurs the wrath of the religious authorities, who are appalled that he refers to himself as a god. He allows himself to be arrested and tried for blasphemy. He is found guilty and executed, only to rise from the grave three days later, where the women weeping at his tomb do not recognize him until he assumes his divine form, as the God Dionysus.

So many religions in those times shared similar themes (rebirth, redemption, ...) with that usually the deities became melded together. Early depictions of Jesus show him holding the Lyre of Orpheus, or driving Apollo' s chariot. The Emperor Constantine, who legitimized Christianity in Rome, was a worshipper of Sol Invictus - an amalgamation of solar deities Mithras, Helios, and Apollo - and he recognized Jesus' place in that company almost immediately. Christianity' s oldest known mosaic depicts Jesus as a triumphant Helios, complete with chariot.
Of course, later Christians were terribly perturbed by these similarities to Pagan religions.

Excellent Storm..............excellent!

And at that time period there were people that knew the similarities and complained and were persecuted for speaking about it.

After discovering that people were more reluctant to give up their holidays and festivals than their gods, they simply incorporated pagan practices into Christian festivals.

"The Church did everything it could to stamp out such 'pagan' rites, but had to capitulate and allow the rites to continue with only the name of the local deity changed to some Christian
saint' s name."
- Religious Tradition and Myth. Dr. Edwin Goodenough, Professor of Religion, Harvard University -

If you really look with unbiased eyes, you will find amazing parallels with many ancient traditions. Jesus is merely a "new" version, built from old ideas.

I'm waiting for ushomefree to break out the Diabolical Mimicry argument. Because that would be awsome.

Originally posted by ushomefree
Darth Macabre

What was incorrect about my statement?

"It's a shame some people put so much stock into Mithra; Mithra never resurrected. Jesus Christ did! Mithra was a legend- a product of one's imagination. You can buy books about the story in the religious "fictional" section at most book stores. Jesus is historical truth, and their is tons of evidence to support that claim, even sources outside of the bible. Nobody cares about Mithra (ha ha ha)! Fact is, the resurrection of Jesus Christ was falsifiable, but nothing of the sort happened. All the Jews and Roman authorities had to do is produce the dead body of Jesus! They had all the power in the world to do so!! That would have been the end of Christianity. Some may say that the body was stolen? Well... if that is true, why did the Jews and Romans make other claims in addition to that theory? It's ironic, not one conspiracy theory ever stated that the tomb "wasn't" empty. Jesus's body was never produced, and then you have countless eyewitness testimony confirming that Jesus was seen alive. The gospels were circulated openly while most of the eyewitnesses were still alive. If they were not true, they would have been disputed, but they were not. How do you explain that? And how do you explain Christianity originating in Jerusalem? How do you explain Christianity consuming the Roman empire? People don't rise from the dead all the time; this should have been a no brainer. The resurrection must have happened! Regarding the Gospel of Judas? They church probably rejected it, not because they were bent on deceiving, but because it was written about 300 AD!! 300 AD (ha ha ha)! If someone wrote current, or near currrent literature about you, and someone came along 300 hundred years later making different claims, people wouldn't take that seriously. Oh... but give that skeptic a bible and associate him with the Christian church, then there is some kind of conspiracy going on. I don't understand all the fuss."

Or Jesus didn't die on that cross in the frist place. Funny how all who were crucified are left on their cross to rot, but Jesus was taken down after 12 hours. Then he was laid to rest with herbs and spices(medicine maybe?), and was seen walking around with scars. Hmm...

ALL of the gospels were written at least 100 years after Jesus' death.

Your points are moot.

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Or Jesus didn't die on that cross in the frist place. Funny how all who were crucified are left on their cross to rot, but Jesus was taken down after 12 hours. Then he was laid to rest with herbs and spices(medicine maybe?), and was seen walking around with scars. Hmm...

ALL of the gospels were written at least 100 years after Jesus' death.

Your points are moot.

Just to make sure that Jesus died on the cross, a roman soldier speared him deeply on the right side of his body, where he bled profusely from the flesh wound. So I doubt Jesus survived the crucifixtion because of that.

Originally posted by CosmicSurfer
Just to make sure that Jesus died on the cross, a roman soldier speared him deeply on the right side of his body, where he bled profusely from the flesh wound. So I doubt Jesus survived the crucifixtion because of that.

The gospels were written some 60 to 100 years after Jesus was killed. That would be like one of us writing about the Kennedy assassination with no news media to keep us straight on the facts. If two people who see an accident can't even agree on what happened, how can you expect the writers of the gospels, to get it right?

Yes, kind of how some countries tried to change their history books so they didn't look so bad regarding wars and such.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Yes, kind of how some countries tried to change their history books so they didn't look so bad regarding wars and such.

lol That reminds me of an episode of Family Guy where Stewie and Brian go to Germany, and Brian speaks out saying that there's no information about Germany in 1939-1945.....The guy responds that everyone left to manage a dairy queen.

When Brian says that's proposterous, that Germany invaded Poland, the German responds "Nope, we were invited...Punch was served."

But for the topic.....Very Good post Storm.

Originally posted by Storm
Thousands of years before Jesus, there was another passion story told about a God man, born of a virgin mother, in a stable. He travels about with his followers, preaching and performing miracles, including turning water into wine. Eventually, he incurs the wrath of the religious authorities, who are appalled that he refers to himself as a god. He allows himself to be arrested and tried for blasphemy. He is found guilty and executed, only to rise from the grave three days later, where the women weeping at his tomb do not recognize him until he assumes his divine form, as the God Dionysus.

So many religions in those times shared similar themes (rebirth, redemption, ...) with that usually the deities became melded together. Early depictions of Jesus show him holding the Lyre of Orpheus, or driving Apollo' s chariot. The Emperor Constantine, who legitimized Christianity in Rome, was a worshipper of Sol Invictus - an amalgamation of solar deities Mithras, Helios, and Apollo - and he recognized Jesus' place in that company almost immediately. Christianity' s oldest known mosaic depicts Jesus as a triumphant Helios, complete with chariot.
Of course, later Christians were terribly perturbed by these similarities to Pagan religions.

So basically religion is survival of the fittest, and Christianity is the lion...

Originally posted by Darth Macabre
lol That reminds me of an episode of Family Guy where Stewie and Brian go to Germany, and Brian speaks out saying that there's no information about Germany in 1939-1945.....The guy responds that everyone left to manage a dairy queen.

When Brian says that's proposterous, that Germany invaded Poland, the German responds "Nope, we were invited...Punch was served."

But for the topic.....Very Good post Storm.

😆

let's put it this way, if Osama Bin Laden or Saddam Hussein wrote about themselves, do you all think they'll portray themselves as pure evil men? I don't think so.

I think the Gospel of Judas is full of crap. It doesn't prove a damn thing that's why it was thrown out. It was written in the third century after christ.

Take a look at the Gospel of Thomas. According to this gospel, only men are allowed to go to heaven(sorry, ladies). This should deeply offend the female posters around here such as Debbiejo and lilbitchieness. That's why this gospel was deemed heretical as well.

I'm started to believe that most gnostic writings weren't really that inspiring and they sure as hell were questionable.