Master Kavar versus Asaaj Ventress

The two dual saber wielders do battle, which one wins?

Although I can't provide proof, I'd say that Kavar wins. He was the head poncho of the most martial group of Jedi in the Order. He also seemed to be second only to Vrook on the Council. I hold Asajj in very high reguard(about equal to ROTS Obi-wan), but I don't think she will win this.

Uh, there might actually be a bunch of people above Kavar around his time (Malak, Revan, Vodo, Ulic, Kun, possibly Exile, Kreia, possibly Vrook, possibly Vandar, probably Zhar)

Malak, Revan, Exile(obviously), Kreia(obviously), maybe Vrook. not Vandar, and definatley not Zhar.

Though Asaaj is probably equal to RotS Anakin, I would give this to Kavar though we only see him fight once.

Here are the people in the KOTOR time we KNOW could defeat Kavar.

Revan (beat Malak who beat Kavar)
Malak (duh)
Traya (duh)
Nihilus (he could defeat anyone except for the below)
Exile (duh)

The people who could defeat Ventress are numerous, too much to bother putting down. Clone Wars Anakin could defeat Ventress. In Obsession she was no joke, but still I woudn't put her above Kavar who was the best duelist of the Jedi Order .

Why not Zhar? It's quite clear he outranks the other three on Dantooine. It was him who was trusted with the retraining of Revan.

Problem is we have seen absolutely nothing of Zhar. He may be a weakling or one badass motha**cka.

Originally posted by zephiel7
Here are the people in the KOTOR time we KNOW could defeat Kavar.

Revan (beat Malak who beat Kavar)
Malak (duh)
Traya (duh)
Nihilus (he could defeat anyone except for the below)
Exile (duh)

The people who could defeat Ventress are numerous, too much to bother putting down. Clone Wars Anakin could defeat Ventress. In Obsession she was no joke, but still I woudn't put her above Kavar who was the best duelist of the [B]Jedi Order . [/B]

Except that we know absolutely nothing regarding the circumstances of Kavar's battle with Malak. For all we know, Malak could have suffered his infamous jaw wound at Kavar's hands.

If so then it was probably Malak when he was newb, not the dark lord. Malak did force Kavar to retreat.

There could have been dozens of Sith Troopers blasting away at him during the fight...

You have no proof of this. The Jedi council could have been with Kavar then.

We have no proof, we only know that Malak pimp slapped Kavar and forced the best duelist to run away with tail between legs.

Yeah, that's the point, we don't know how he did it.

It was in a lightsaber duel though. That we know. Kavar admits this in KOTOR 2. Besides I don't understand how people come to the conclusion that Kavar removed Malak's jaw.

Again, zephiel. Where the hell does this ''pimp slapped him and sent him running with his tail between his legs'' and "the Jedi Council was with him'' come from? That's hypocrisy if I've ever seen it. By your logic, I can say the following:

Kavar challenged Malak to try and bring him back to the Jedi, away from the path of war he was travelling. Malak gets pissed, they fight, Kavar ''pimp slapped" Malak and severed his jaw, then was ambushed by squads of Sith troopers and chased off.

Disprove that.

Originally posted by Faunus
Again, zephiel. Where the hell does this ''pimp slapped him and sent him running with his tail between his legs'' and "the Jedi Council was with him'' come from? That's hypocrisy if I've ever seen it. By your logic, I can say the following:

Kavar challenged Malak to try and bring him back to the Jedi, away from the path of war he was travelling. Malak gets pissed, they fight, Kavar ''pimp slapped" Malak and severed his jaw, then was ambushed by squads of Sith troopers and chased off.

Disprove that.

What I mean is that Malak was the better dueler between himself and Kavar. The part about "the Jedi Council was with him," was to prove the point that its ridiculous to invent situations that would skew the outcome of the fight. I could say one thing that would make Malak look stronger, and you or Gamblor could say something else to make Malak look weaker. We have the bare bone facts that Malak forced Kavar to retreat from a lightsaber duel.

The jaw thing is ridiculous. There is absolutely ZERO proof that Kavar was the one who cut of Malak's jaw. It was probably Revan when the two dueled for position as dark lord, given the context of the situation.

Originally posted by zephiel7
What I mean is that Malak was the better dueler between himself and Kavar. The part about "the Jedi Council was with him," was to prove the point that its ridiculous to invent situations that would skew the outcome of the fight. I could say one thing that would make Malak look stronger, and you or Gamblor could say something else to make Malak look weaker. We have the bare bone facts that Malak forced Kavar to retreat from a lightsaber duel.

The jaw thing is ridiculous. There is absolutely ZERO proof that Kavar was the one who cut of Malak's jaw. It was probably Revan when the two dueled for position as dark lord, given the context of the situation.

Yet again, you have no proof for that yourself. We have the ''bare bones facts'' that their battle ended with Kavar escaping; the circumstances are unknown. You've posted in the past that you consider the Rotunda battle in RotS to be a victory for Yoda; he ended fleeing himself. I suppose he was ''pimp slapped,'' too?

Besides, it was stated that the wound was inflicted prior to his ascension, and I don't see Revan maiming the guy who he's trying to save the galaxy with.

what has assaj really accomplished...oh yeah not a damned thing except getting owned by that cry baby anakin, she couldn't even become a full jedi(or a full sith for that matter) and we're comparing her to a full fledged jedi master. that in it's self sugests major ownage, now lets remember that kavar was a renowned swordsman, a famous jedi guardian who was supposed to lead the jedi into war, it's really not much of a competition it's like saying mace windu v.s ventress(admittedly there's no concrete evidence he was equal with windu but he's very much the same type of jedi).

Yet again, you have no proof for that yourself. We have the ''bare bones facts'' that their battle ended with Kavar escaping; the circumstances are unknown. You've posted in the past that you consider the Rotunda battle in RotS to be a victory for Yoda; he ended fleeing himself. I suppose he was ''pimp slapped,'' too?

I doubt it was a stalemate. Analyze the situation. The Jedi council knew the only person who could defeat Malak was Revan. The other Jedi masters were far too weak. Vrook admits that Malak is currently strongest force user around in KOTOR.

Besides, it was stated that the wound was inflicted prior to his ascension, and I don't see Revan maiming the guy who he's trying to save the galaxy with.

This is sith Revan and Malak. Since when were the Sith afraid to teach a lesson in pain to their apprentices when obtaining position.

Um...you do no that there's absolutley no mention at all concerning the circumstances which lead to malak losing his jaw, for all we know it could be the result of dentistry gone horribly horribly wrong.