Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Ohlook, a strawman.
Where did I go wrong? Sora's fighting style is equivalent to a jedi's with the jumping and sword handling. Since apparently this style of fighting is actually inferior to a normal swordsman, A samurai should be able to defeat a jedi, am I right?
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Cutscenes say hello!
Need more than that. In what cutscene has Link ever performed Sora like fighting?
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
If the swordsman had equal physical stats to Cloud, he would roflstomp the pour animu archetype. 😐 Cloud's "style" of fighting is basicly a bunch of flashy flourishes and flynning that are /USELESS/ in real combat.PRACTICALITY OF FIGHTING STYLE, MAH BOI. Fighting like "advent children" is a WEAKNESS. 😐
Incorrect. Increased agility, speed, and jumping are extremely useful in a fight. I'm shocked you would claim otherwise.
It isn't just flashy attacks, the attacks all have a place. He isn't just swinging his sword like a lunatic. Funny how you accuse everyone else of downplaying feats.
Yeah, see. Sora has one of those: Speed. Link has magic spells of his own that are just as good, or better, what with volcano freezing power and ice berg melting heat. Skill is not his, the fact that you could even still think so legitimately serves only to prove my last point, that you are legitimately stupid.
Strength is obvious. Link has it, Sora does not. His best is smacking pieces of building in a weightless environment in a world that has as much respect for physics as Devil May Cry.
Speed is a major player in these matches. Oh the ice/fire arrows.. good luck hitting him with those.
Lol aw did I get under your skin? Cute :3
Link's Pillar: 700-1000 tons at 30-60m/s
Sora's Block: Same weight at 50-75m/s, still need the force to move it.
Groundshaker: Deflecting a 40,000+ tons beats stomp.
Beating Lexaeus: Strongest O13 member amped by 10x which Sora can match.
Strength is in the bag unless you got numbers to say anything.
Add Drives to this and the outcome is a simple victory. 😊
Edit: Can you even give a reason why his skills are a league above normal knights? .___.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Speed is a major player in these matches. Oh the ice/fire arrows.. good luck hitting him with those.Lol aw did I get under your skin? Cute :3
Link's Pillar: 700-1000 tons at 30-60m/s
Sora's Block: Same weight at 50-75m/s, still need the force to move it.
Groundshaker: Deflecting a 40,000+ tons beats stomp.
Beating Lexaeus: Strongest O13 member amped by 10x which Sora can match.
Strength is in the bag unless you got numbers to say anything.Add Drives to this and the outcome is a simple victory. 😊
Edit: Can you even give a reason why his skills are a league above normal knights? .___.
I only mentioned them because you mentioned magic. I sure as hell know Sora's Fire and Ice spells aren't very helpful.
You mistake my focused aggression for rage. Thank you for continuing to prove my point.
1000 tons was the minimum, sir. And Sora's block is not even close to the same weight. I don't know how in the hell you could possibly think that.
Groundshaker does not apply to human Sora. We've been over this. Does it irritate you that it doesn't apply so you chose to simply ignore me?
Cool. And Lexaeus's best normal strength feat is what? Lifting a rock that I could lift with a broken rib?
Drives with no feats =/= assitance. One of them shows Sora swinging two keyblades wildly instead of one while going slightly faster than base Sora. One that casts magic slightly faster than base Sora. One that swings two keyblades wildly in midair faster than base Sora. And one that TK's two keyblades. Woooo! None of these have any feats showing them to be stronger than base Sora, only slightly faster at best and/or an ability to TK two weapons.
Which Link are we talking about?
Edit: Oh. OoT. I'll return to the Dark Link example.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The fact it'd actually work in a fight, mostly. >_>
Swinging wildly can in fact work in a fight just as well. 😮
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
That is the problem Rain, lmfao. I did not say that he gained his opponents powers. And I even quoted Aura when he said the exact same ****ing thing that I said. XDIt's you man. It isn't me. You even did it again.
You know, you say a lot of stuff for someone that has not point to make. I'll ask again, show me where Sora used Xigbar's powers against him. And I want it to look like actually using his powers against him, like with Demyx or Saix. 😮
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I only mentioned them because you mentioned magic. I sure as hell know Sora's Fire and Ice spells aren't very helpful.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
You mistake my focused aggression for rage. Thank you for continuing to prove my point.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
1000 tons was the minimum, sir. And Sora's block is not even close to the same weight. I don't know how in the hell you could possibly think that.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Groundshaker does not apply to human Sora. We've been over this. Does it irritate you that it doesn't apply so you chose to simply ignore me?
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Cool. And Lexaeus's best normal strength feat is what? Lifting a rock that I could lift with a broken rib?
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Drives with no feats =/= assitance. One of them shows Sora swinging two keyblades wildly instead of one while going slightly faster than base Sora. One that casts magic slightly faster than base Sora. One that swings two keyblades wildly in midair faster than base Sora. And one that TK's two keyblades. Woooo! None of these have any feats showing them to be stronger than base Sora, only slightly faster at best and/or an ability to TK two weapons.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Which Link are we talking about?Edit: Oh. OoT. I'll return to the Dark Link example.
Im not sure if I should be shocked or disappointed. Link, with weapons and spells that can counter DLink effectivly, managed to beat a bullet timer with equal skills to him... hope you realise that beating your equal in skill means so very little.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Fire spells are only like Dins. The real hitters are reflect and magnet, two things Links still going to struggle with.
I'm pretty confident that Link could break through that Reflect spell. And I've still never been given any reason to believe the Iron Boots are not > than the Magnet spell.
Originally posted by BloodRain
You assumed I thought you were ragin' and not just being normal Moo, GJ but nice fail ^^
I've never heard anyone use that particular phrase for anything but anger. So continue to prove my point.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Scream got to to 1x00 tons, mine is 600+ and two people that myself and Scream asked gave numbers in the 700 area. Im sure you did the math on the block to know this, right? If so youd know that a solid block thats 15x5x5m is on par with a pillar of 12x3x3. Now if the former is moving faster then the latter, what does that mean for who's stronger?
I've looked over things. But I'm fairly interested in what you used as a material for the pieces of sky scraper that Sora batted around. I am still unimpressed, what with Sora's innate ability to move in midair and leap from invisible walls, the fact that the feat still takes place in a weightless environment gives me cause for concern.
And does not that whole fight take place in a special area created by Xemnas' powers? Who the hell knows what this stuff is supposed to be made of.
Originally posted by BloodRain
We have Nemebro and Scenario agreeing to it. Thats a neutral and opposition, all thats needed unless someone can disprove it. Stop pretending that a) lion Sora gains magical strength over human Sora or b) that a 6 month old cubs headbutt is stronger then a 15 year old athletic teens punch, seriously think it though next time. 😐
I'm not disproving anything. If anything needs to happen on this at all, you need to prove that regular Sora has that kind of strength. And simply saying that his body should be weaker does not cut it. It was magically altered by some unknown person or thing in ways we do not know. Increased strength is not out of the question.
Originally posted by BloodRain
GroundShaker = Normal Roxas = Axel < Lexaeus = Sora after eating Roxas. Ill let you figure that one out.
And I'll pass.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Right... y'know except for increasing his movement speed to 150-370% and strength to 150-250%.(In the official guide :3) Proven a long time ago that he can do it solo, iirk you agreed that all apart from wisdom and master can be used solo. Oh, and what Sora has with two blades will trump Link.
Oh really? And on what does the guide base this?
Originally posted by BloodRain
Im not sure if I should be shocked or disappointed. Link, with weapons and spells that can counter DLink effectivly, managed to beat a bullet timer with equal skills to him... hope you realise that beating your equal in skill means so very little.
I explained this before too. I swear, sometimes I would think that you guys just don't even bother to read my posts. Should I be offended?
Where did I go wrong? Sora's fighting style is equivalent to a jedi's with the jumping and sword handling. Since apparently this style of fighting is actually inferior to a normal swordsman, A samurai should be able to defeat a jedi, am I right?
Force powers and lightsabers say hi. In a fight between combatants with equalized tech and physical attributes with force banned, the Samurai does win though, since, you know, his fighting style actually applies to bladed weapons.
In what cutscene has Link ever performed Sora like fighting?
Incorrect. Increased agility, speed, and jumping are extremely useful in a fight. I'm shocked you would claim otherwise.Zomg strawmens everywhere.
Sora's fighting style has nothing to do with him being faster or more agile than heartless. Is Hulk a more skilled melee combatant than Batman? What would happen to Hulk if he tried to fight Batman, and they had identical strength/durability/ect?
It isn't just flashy attacks, the attacks all have a place. He isn't just swinging his sword like a lunatic. Funny how you accuse everyone else of downplaying feats.Except it's just a constant string of opennings and poorly thought out comboes with unnecessary expositions of his vitals.
Originally posted by BloodRainWhat puts Sora above a regular retard with a wiffle bat beyond superhuman physical attributes?
Btw what makes Link above a regular swordsman besides strength/speed?
The argument works both ways, any dumbass of sufficient superhuman abilities can fight like Sora does.
Originally posted by TacDaveyYou are aware a Jedi is superhuman in strength and speed right? And that they wield weapons which can cut through a normal sword like a welding torch to tissue paper, right? And that, and this is the big one, SORA DOES NOT FIGHT ANYTHING LIKE A JEDI.
Where did I go wrong? Sora's fighting style is equivalent to a jedi's with the jumping and sword handling. Since apparently this style of fighting is actually inferior to a normal swordsman, A samurai should be able to defeat a jedi, am I right?
Is it just me, or is this a load of bullshit?
First of all, most Jedi do NOT do the stupid over the top acrobatic crap like Sora does, and actually wield their sabers with skill and form more common in traditional swordplay, acrobatics are rarely employed.
Now I will go over the failings of acrobatics in Star Wars.
The Phantom Menace, Qui-Gon's acrobatic style got him killed by Darth Maul, Obi-Wan recognised this, realising their style was too risky, and chose to master a more defensive style, utilising pretty much no acrobatics.
Now how about Revenge of the Sith? Anakin's acrobatic nonsense got his legs and arm cut off, nearly killing him. 😐
The only Jedi who consistently uses acrobatics in combat effectively is Yoda, who has no choice, being like two feet tall and old as shit.
So please stop using Jedi as your comparison for Sora, who swings his Keyblade wildly like a kid with a bat. Which is very fitting.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Except it's just a constant string of opennings and poorly thought out comboes with unnecessary expositions of his vitals.
Sora has shown himself to be quite defensive when the situation calls for it. His basic fighting style is offensive though and a two handed one at that.
It's easy to say Sora's fighting style leaves openings to his vitals when your character is using a shield. Let us have a look at Link when using his two handed method shall we.
5:06
Zomg, how skillful gais!
And let's not even address dual wielding Sora.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I'm pretty confident that Link could break through that Reflect spell. And I've still never been given any reason to believe the Iron Boots are not > than the Magnet spell.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I've never heard anyone use that particular phrase for anything but anger. So continue to prove my point.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I've looked over things. But I'm fairly interested in what you used as a material for the pieces of sky scraper that Sora batted around. I am still unimpressed, what with Sora's innate ability to move in midair and leap from invisible walls, the fact that the feat still takes place in a weightless environment gives me cause for concern.And does not that whole fight take place in a special area created by Xemnas' powers? Who the hell knows what this stuff is supposed to be made of.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I'm not disproving anything. If anything needs to happen on this at all, you need to prove that regular Sora has that kind of strength. And simply saying that his body should be weaker does not cut it. It was magically altered by some unknown person or thing in ways we do not know. Increased strength is not out of the question.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
And I'll pass.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Oh really? And on what does the guide base this?
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I explained this before too. I swear, sometimes I would think that you guys just don't even bother to read my posts. Should I be offended?
Nemebro
What puts Sora above a regular retard with a wiffle bat beyond superhuman physical attributes?The argument works both ways, any dumbass of sufficient superhuman abilities can fight like Sora does.
Neither Link or Sora's skills are high enough to give either of them the advantage.
Give Sora and Link equivalent physical stats, have them duel with swords.
Guaranteed Link lands more hits.
Sora's style is superfluous as hell and would leave him open more often that it would not. Sommersault forward with your sword? Other guy simply thrusts forward once to counter.
Skill is difficult to talk about/quantify. Most often, what is talked about with regards to skill can simply be crossed out and reworded to refer to physical stats like agility and reaction time, and would actually become more correct in doing so.
Is Link with or without his shield? As Aura pointed out above Link without shield is just as open. And is Sora allowed to duel wield? [Something an amateur cant do so well]
A somersault hitting multiply enemies several times is imo better then a single thrust to a single foe, racks up more damage too.
Going by the way you say it'd be more in Sora's favour then judging by skill would be for either of them.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Is Link with or without his shield? As Aura pointed out above Link without shield is just as open. And is Sora allowed to duel wield? [Something an amateur cant do so well]
No shield for Link. He didn't point out anything, he simply made a declaration. Link is less open as he leaves himself less open with his stance, that is what is being talked about.
Is Sora allowed to duel wield? Huh? What's the point of this question? As we've never seen Link duel wield and thus can't get a feel for a comparison for how this would work. This is simply sword on sword based on their respective styles using single sword and 'sword-like' objects.
Sora's theatrical duel wielding are also filable under his physical capabilities, as opposed to actual skill.
A somersault hitting multiply enemies several times is imo better then a single thrust to a single foe, racks up more damage too.
It's not better. A thrust is faster (thus there is nothing stopping the thruster from doing this multiple times), wastes less energy, use more of the length of the blade, and imparts more PSI.
Going by the way you say it'd be more in Sora's favour then judging by skill would be for either of them. [/B]
What I outlined basically admits that Sora's physical stats (agility/reaction time) are what is superior to Link, but that becomes completely bunk when faced against a guy with equal physical stats and fights in a more disciplined and economical style.
It's why a simple boxer can beat a kung fu stylist without much issue.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Sommersault forward with your sword? Other guy simply thrusts forward once to counter.
Ironic statement actually. Sora, in KH 1 where he is far lower in skill, does show the prerogative to thrust forward. Know who doesn't? Linky. Well, I've seen him do it when Ganon was down but he sorta crouches while doing it which is odd.
Look, the reason Link's fighting style seems more practical is the shield. Ask any knight of ye olden days and obviously they would rather fight with a shield than without one. Sora doesn't have a shield so you make do with what you got by using it with two hands. Moar power and such. I dare say he's gotten accustomed to it by now and wouldn't want the shield because it would be alien.
I've yet to see what makes Link's style so much better than Sora's. His slash list consists of one downward vertical slash, one horizontal slash that can, a crouching stab forward, a jump downward vertical slash, and his spinning attack.
All of these, except perhaps the spin attack, Sora can do and can do to better effect.
Nothing is wrong with Link's style of course. It's how you'd likely fight with a sword if you didn't have proper training. It's how most people would. Difference is Sora abuses his supernatural abilities and incorporates them into his fights.
Edit: Sora could just use guard all day until the cows come home as Link doesn't exactly have a defensive form for his two sword technique(or I don't think he does). That and Sora bases a lot of his fighting around countering attacks.