Sora(Kingdom Hearts) vs Link(Legend of Zelda)

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You could say I'm sick of being right and being ignored. I quite like most of you guys outside of these threads, but I'm beginning to want to throttle you all inside of them.

Lovely thing about being me is I don't mind whether I'm identified as right or not. I do not desire such acknowledge meant and seek knowledge only to comfort myself.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
-You can't and never have disproven it, none of you.

Doesn't the fact that your arguing for it mean you have the burden of proof whereas all I need to do is find reasons why it is faulty?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
-You claim you have and can, all of you.

Since none of us can prove anything, such claims are faulty. I merely found an answer that was not yours and one I prefer. Not my fault you don't agree.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Again, assumption. You're assuming Ganon would intentionally slow down his lightning when he doesn't have to, for no apparent reason other than to let Link reflect it?

And you're assuming it is going at full speed for no reason other than it supports your argument.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
No, it was not accepted because it's unfounded conjecture. 😐 Ganondorf can pull entire countries into other dimensions, and conjure powerful lightning, he's one of the most intelligent villains in gaming, the smartest character in the series, a manipulative genius, a chessmaster, ect, but chooses to play Tennis? 😐 What the ****?

Not as unfounded I believe. Merely saying a bigger attack is slower than a not so big attack. I'm actually more confident now that I look back on the attack Ganondorf used in the cutscene against Link. And yes, he did choose to play tennis. Instead of the various other, more ingenious moves he could make. His intelligence is a tad overwanked.

'rationalization invented on the spot'?

It looks nothing like lightning and it behaves nothing like lightning. The ****?

Doesn't the fact that your arguing for it mean you have the burden of proof whereas all I need to do is find reasons why it is faulty?

I quit. This isn't fun. We went through the cycle, and as usual the counter argument is "Ganon sabotaged himself like a tard", it's all you guys have, it's all you cling to. Inability to accept the feat = illogical and unreasoanble = I don't want to ****ing argue with you guys.

So, yeah, enjoy your "win", if by win you mean "smash your head into the keyboard until the opposition is sick of dealing with your shit on behalf of a fictional character".

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So this is why we have people arguing he can scrape a few wins out?

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
This discussion is stupid

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You've taken this to the extreme of "if I disagree with it, it's invalid", and nothing is valid ever. I've provided proof, you rejected it with no valid rebuttal.

I quit. This isn't fun. We went through the cycle, and as usual the counter argument is "Ganon sabotaged himself like a tard", it's all you guys have, it's all you cling to. Inability to accept the feat = illogical and unreasoanble = I don't want to ****ing argue with you guys.

So, yeah, enjoy your "win", if by win you mean "smash your head into the keyboard until the opposition is sick of dealing with your shit on behalf of a fictional character".

No, disagreeing with you does not make you wrong. Finding fault in your arguments is helping along in that regard. You've provided proof and I have found fault in it and questioned it. Reasonable doubt and all that jazz. Go watch 12 Angry Men and Henry Fonda will teach it better than I.

It is not supposed to be fun. And yes, it is what we cling to I suppose. Though since we are arguing that the attack is not lightning speed, I suppose such a statement is something we work to prove. Inability to accept that someone has reasonable doubt=illogical and unreasonable=I can keep this up all day.

Now, now, no need to be bitter about this. From the sound of things, seems like you've had an off day. Go rest up.

..mhmm.

No offense Scream but if you don't like arguing the lighting feat why did you bring it up? =/

That aside, Sora has superior strength and magic which all get amped(and more) in Drive forms.

Originally posted by BloodRain
No offense Scream but if you don't like arguing the lighting feat why did you bring it up? =/

That is actually a question I would like answered as well now that I think about it. haermm

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I don't have to disprove stubborn, illogical conjecture by someone who's apparently never played the ****ing game and has his mind closed to arguments that he disagrees with based solely on the fact the feats point to something he doesn't like.

IE, Link reflects lightning, therefore, he's a ****ing lightning timer. Simple.

Your little hypothesis which you push as "simple" is unfounded, nothing points to it at all, and is a rationalization invented on the spot to try and take a feat from a character.

IE, Gtfo with it and argue it logically, or just gtfo.

I have played the game. One of my favorite games, actually.

Here's the thing. My theory is simpler because it goes off of nothing more than what the game gives us.

Your theory has points that are not supported in the game that you yourself simply made up to defend the idea that the attack is lightning. It does this on at least 2 occasions.

So mine is simpler and the more logical. Now, instead of loosing your cool or dodging my points, why don't you take a second to actually respond to my points and show that they are impossible? I've explained this before, if you can't show my theory is impossible, then it stands as a valid refutation to your stance that Link is a lightning timer. So I'm waiting. Go ahead.

While this threads still here may as well set the bar;

1. Link's new strength is 0.021GJ with a 30m distance,(x1.3 for arc, /1.5 for time) 0.367GJ with 50m and 2.348GJ with 100m.
The block feat safely puts Sora between 2-5+GJ, all the while taking hits from Roxas who is at GroundShaker's strength+ means he can take Link's hits.

2. By deflecting lightning(cba) at a 5-3m distance requires an attack speed of 12,000-20,000m/s.[Ma35-59]
Using Sora at a min hypersonic[Ma5], his Drives will be attacking at 3,403-6,805m/s.[Ma10-20] With Sync Blades it will feel like Ma20-40 to Link. Link in this scenario may have the attack speed over Sora, however Sora still has the rapid attacks of two blades and more importantly faster movement speed, more so with his range advantage. In other words speed wont make that much of a difference for either.

3. Lastly magic. Arrows don't have the speed, Dins fire lacks the range. On the other hand Link lacks the movement speed to dodge Sora's magic. Theres also Magnet and Reflect that Link has no counter against.

So 1+3 Sora is superior, 2 is null. Link has nothing that places him far above Sora, or anything he couldn't defend against. Thats not true the other way round.

Anything else?

Originally posted by BloodRain
While this threads still here may as well set the bar;

1. Link's new strength is 0.021GJ with a 30m distance,(x1.3 for arc, /1.5 for time) 0.367GJ with 50m and 2.348GJ with 100m.
The block feat safely puts Sora between 2-5+GJ, all the while taking hits from Roxas who is at GroundShaker's strength+ means he can take Link's hits.

2. By deflecting lightning(cba) at a 5-3m distance requires an attack speed of 12,000-20,000m/s.[Ma35-59]
Using Sora at a min hypersonic[Ma5], his Drives will be attacking at 3,403-6,805m/s.[Ma10-20] With Sync Blades it will feel like Ma20-40 to Link. Link in this scenario may have the attack speed over Sora, however Sora still has the rapid attacks of two blades and more importantly faster movement speed, more so with his range advantage. In other words speed wont make that much of a difference for either.

3. Lastly magic. Arrows don't have the speed, Dins fire lacks the range. On the other hand Link lacks the movement speed to dodge Sora's magic. Theres also Magnet and Reflect that Link has no counter against.

So 1+3 Sora is superior, 2 is null. Link has nothing that places him far above Sora, or anything he couldn't defend against. Thats not true the other way round.

Anything else?

Just that 2 isn't quite right, as Link doesn't have lightning reflecting abilities.

So it's more like 1+2+3 = Sora takes this with ease.

Said it for the oppositions sake to see how their wanted lightning feat compared to Max amped speed Sora, turns out even with it its not the largest threat.

Well in kingdom hearts You can use forms but im not talking about a lets plays Link has nayrus love super spinny attack? dins fire farores wind with farores wind link can teleport to a diffrent location on untill sora finds him links hits him with (biggoron sword,Razor sword glided sword and master sword) With biggoron sword sora gets 61% damage Razor sword 20% Glideded sword 60% Master sword 30% Then sora attacks with an ultima weapon link gets 81% hits so what if link used nayrus love then sora will hit alot but then like uses his dins fire bam 61% so Link can Skyward sword game (never played) but link hits him so what if he cast a song of healing of him self but sora whould whine Of course Link wins Oh And if link used majoras masked he'd could control the moon and sora gets crushed to his death

Oh for ****s sake.

Originally posted by lucario435
Well in kingdom hearts You can use forms but im not talking about a lets plays Link has nayrus love super spinny attack? dins fire farores wind with farores wind link can teleport to a diffrent location on untill sora finds him links hits him with (biggoron sword,Razor sword glided sword and master sword) With biggoron sword sora gets 61% damage Razor sword 20% Glideded sword 60% Master sword 30% Then sora attacks with an ultima weapon link gets 81% hits so what if link used nayrus love then sora will hit alot but then like uses his dins fire bam 61% so Link can Skyward sword game (never played) but link hits him so what if he cast a song of healing of him self but sora whould whine Of course Link wins Oh And if link used majoras masked he'd could control the moon and sora gets crushed to his death

Awwww

Originally posted by lucario435
Well in kingdom hearts You can use forms but im not talking about a lets plays Link has nayrus love super spinny attack? dins fire farores wind with farores wind link can teleport to a diffrent location on untill sora finds him links hits him with (biggoron sword,Razor sword glided sword and master sword) With biggoron sword sora gets 61% damage Razor sword 20% Glideded sword 60% Master sword 30% Then sora attacks with an ultima weapon link gets 81% hits so what if link used nayrus love then sora will hit alot but then like uses his dins fire bam 61% so Link can Skyward sword game (never played) but link hits him so what if he cast a song of healing of him self but sora whould whine Of course Link wins Oh And if link used majoras masked he'd could control the moon and sora gets crushed to his death

Such solid math. 🙂

hahahaha.... xD

Wonder how he figured how much % of damage they'll take.. seemed really sure about it too.

...Still Sora's win.

Si... we should make it SS Link, take out teleporting, and lightning reaction bitching for the rest of the thread... It would be amusing. xD

Mm even with lightning reactions, all that'd mean is that Sora can't blitz him. But his movement/attack speed, strength and abilities are well below Sora's.

There is no real difference between attack and reaction speed, and considering the basis for that feat involves Link slashing his sword at the lightning... Yeah.