Sora(Kingdom Hearts) vs Link(Legend of Zelda)

NL blocks. Everything as well mirror sheild bounces magic hylian reflects projectiles.
Roxas is not sora. And by consistant i mean doing it on comand. All those had to be activated in certain circumstances.
As for the drives, since sora was right next to the people who made his suit they could probably use their magic for a demenstration. He never did it by himself.

Blax is actually right.

Being unable to be devolved=/=Immune to all time abilities.

Holy **** thats a terrifying kids ride :l

Reflect blocks and reflects.
Roxas /is/ Sora, and weaker than end game Sora to boot. Reaction commands are canon, and you cant ignore a feat because it doesnt happen every five seconds. Besides, the only way to beat Groundshaker and Xemnas is to do those movess. As canon as canon can be.

No, thats not how it works.
"An image of you utilizing your strength to its fullest flows into your mind"
The description and the cutscene make no reference to using outside help.

Link wasn't affected by speeding or slowing down time in MM was can carry items back and forth through time. Timestones however they work in WW he was able to walts right into hyrule castle despite it being a time deadzone.
In nearly every game link screws with time and comes out relatively unphased. And besides, Stop isn't one of sora's go to moves (does it even work on bosses)

roxas IS NOT Sora. Different body different attacks different personality different life. He has parts of sora but mostly he's coasting off ven.
And wasn't that just what the mirror said. Those were just to hint at what you get later

Being the Nobody of Sora means he is half of him. Not to mention that until their fight Sora wasnt at full power It was after beating Roxas that Sora became whole and at full power(and gained Final form). Note: Xemnas was the strongest of the O13, above Roxas. Sora beat him.

Yes, and notice how it says "your strength" and not "Goofy's strength".

Roxas and sora are different. I know it sounds corny but we are defined not just by are expierences but how we choose to deal with them. Roxas lived a separate life from sora and gained his own powers that sora can't duplicate even after absorbing him. He became more powerful but it was because he was whole not because he can mooch off of the stuff roxas could do.

Even if you don't NEED a partner, sora still doesn't know how to do it by himself. He always gets help when he drives.

This thread made a come back, huh? Very well.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Link wasn't affected by speeding or slowing down time in MM was can carry items back and forth through time.

This is likely because he was the one casting the spell. There is no reason to assume it was just because he was immune to the effects.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Timestones however they work in WW he was able to walts right into hyrule castle despite it being a time deadzone.

This is the same thing as with the Timeshift stones. You are assuming too much based off of little evidence. You cannot jump from, "Link enters a frozen Hyrule somehow without being effected" to "This shows Link was simply immune to Hyrules effects and thus is immune to every time spell ever invented."

It's been a while since I played Wind Waker, but I don't recall there ever being a point in which it was said that anything entering Hyrule after the spell had taken place would also get frozen.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
In nearly every game link screws with time and comes out relatively unphased.

And most of the time it was him instigating the time phenomenon. A reverse time spell would be completely and utterly useless to anyone if it affected the caster as well. Also, I will point out that in Ocarina of Time Link DID get younger and older when he used the Pedestal of Time to go back and forth through time. Which pretty much destroys the "immune to all time effects" argument right there.

But the pedestal didn't send him to the future it put him to sleep. And he still had all his memories when he went back

the only way to beat Groundshaker and Xemnas is to do those movess. As canon as canon can be.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So you agree with Link's lightning reflection?

I thought he disagreed with the conclusion that it was lightning, not that it was required? o.O

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
But the pedestal didn't send him to the future it put him to sleep. And he still had all his memories when he went back

That's what it did originally. What do you think it did when he reversed time?

I haven't been reading Tac's posts, has he been arguing that the Pedestal of time somehow contradicts Link's time resistance? lol.

Considering Link's protection in all likelihood comes from the same thing that protects him from all the other kinds of crap it does, and has displayed explicit time powers, this is sort of a moot point. Yes, gentlemen, again, the master sword. The very thing which carried him back in time in OoT, remember?

Originally posted by TacDavey
Also, I will point out that in Ocarina of Time Link DID get younger and older when he used the Pedestal of Time to go back and forth through time. Which pretty much destroys the "immune to all time effects" argument right there.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Roxas and sora are different. I know it sounds corny but we are defined not just by are expierences but how we choose to deal with them. Roxas lived a separate life from sora and gained his own powers that sora can't duplicate even after absorbing him. He became more powerful but it was because he was whole not because he can mooch off of the stuff roxas could do.

Even if you don't NEED a partner, sora still doesn't know how to do it by himself. He always gets help when he drives.

Even if thats the case, Roxas is still half of Sora with the fact that Sora in his half state was able to stalemate an enraged, duel wielding Roxas. And we all know how much stronger a second Key makes you. On that note, Sora is only able to Duel wield [base] after he becomes whole, getting the ability back from Roxas. And as you just said, Sora became more powerful. If he was equal to Roxas before he'd be above him after.
And to the original point; Sora is stronger than Roxas, at the worst he's equal. If Roxas can smack the Thorn away it counts as a feat for Sora.

All Sora has to do is use the Drive energy and he can access his Forms. No sacrifices or outside help is needed.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
[QUOTE=13735318]Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So you agree with Link's lightning reflection?

But sora can't dual weild ob his own. When sora fought roxas he had his heart and his body while roxas obly had a part of his soul if anything. He vecame more powerful but by how much is the question.

"Sora can wield two Keyblades at once because he has Ventus's as well as his own". ~Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep Ultimania.

Ventus partly being with Roxas meant that Sora could not do so beforehand. Yes, he became stronger than when he was stalemating Roxas. Thus is stronger.

Link isn't immune to "all time altering powers", going off of showings.

The one instance shown to support that has already been discarded as a limitless fallacy at best and game mechanics at worst.

So there's nothing really stopping Sora from just stopping time on him or using graviga to erase gravity in Link's location, rendering him helpless.

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Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Link isn't immune to "all time altering powers", going off of showings.

The one instance shown to support that has already been discarded as a limitless fallacy at best and game mechanics at worst.

So there's nothing really stopping Sora from just stopping time on him or using graviga to erase gravity in Link's location, rendering him helpless.

Why you not here. ._.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Right, so feats amount to nothing now. Gotcha. Time powers shown to have no effect on Link---> Sora can still use his anyway. Nah man. You're funnier in other threads.