Originally posted by samisheYou've never read a Batman comic either I see.
Batman's advantage is that he knows all the quirks they have mentally?
Come on, ofcourse he knows his villians, they are from his universe. But it doesn't mean anything. If he faced Spidey villians he would get in a same situation as Spidey in DC universe.
All Spider villians someday were new to him. So what? He defeated them. Learned their weaknesses. Same would happen to Bats Villians.
Originally posted by samisheOh yea? Then you'd know Batman's comics are psychologic comics, rather than 'hero' comics. And that he doesn't defeat them in the traditional sense, and everyone who has tried it that way, got defeated by his enemies. Batman understands their psyche completely. He knows what they want, why they want it, etc. His villains don't have "weakness" like Spidey villains, like "use fire on this guy, use sonics on that guy, punch that guy. He can't see through this eye." Batman KNOWS his villains. He understands the shattered psyche probably because he has one himself, and is a master of psychology. He plays them like he's the marionette and they're puppets. He can wiggle a string and knows how they'll react to it. In No Man's Land for example, he did that to the entire city. Even Superman wasn't able to last in Gotham. He gave up.
Actually I read.
Originally posted by Juntai
Oh yea? Then you'd know Batman's comics are psychologic comics, rather than 'hero' comics. And that he doesn't defeat them in the traditional sense, and everyone who has tried it that way, got defeated by his enemies. Batman understands their psyche completely. He knows what they want, why they want it, etc. His villains don't have "weakness" like Spidey villains, like "use fire on this guy, use sonics on that guy, punch that guy. He can't see through this eye." Batman KNOWS his villains. He understands the shattered psyche probably because he has one himself, and is a master of psychology. He plays them like he's the marionette and they're puppets. He can wiggle a string and knows how they'll react to it. In No Man's Land for example, he did that to the entire city. Even Superman wasn't able to last in Gotham. He gave up.
Now i'm sure you haven't ever read Spidey comix.
Where the hell you got from that all Spidey's villians have weaknesses.
He ussualy outthinks his enemies eathier.
Tell me how Bats psychology will help him to beat Scorpion or Ock?
Both Spider-man and Batman use their Brains to defeat villians, thats why Spider could survive in Gotham. But sometimes there are cases when the only chance to win is to use brute strength. Thats batman's biggest disadvantage. He can find himself in situation in which he doesn't have prep time, in which he'll have no chance but to fight and his gadgets are not always gonna save him. So he'll be simply killed.
name 1, green goblin on his lil glider...1 heat seeking missle gone
doc ock?, gone hes only human and cant move quick enough
venom?, hmmm he might be trouble but i bet if batman destroyed enough buildings, he wouldnt have newhere to go n he'd get him too eventually
carnage?, same way
batman has taken down superman with his tank (even though he was weakened) but still...
Originally posted by braz
name 1, green goblin on his lil glider...1 heat seeking missle gone
doc ock?, gone hes only human and cant move quick enough
venom?, hmmm he might be trouble but i bet if batman destroyed enough buildings, he wouldnt have newhere to go n he'd get him too eventually
carnage?, same waybatman has taken down superman with his tank (even though he was weakened) but still...
hydroman. What could batman do with him? Hit him with tank?
And i believe Hulk and Juggernaut are also considered to be Spider villians.
Originally posted by TheKahn
All very valid points and extremely well put, as always spetznaz.
But in Spidey's defense, I think there is something we should keep in mind. Spiderman doesn't have his own city. Batman (and Superman) have essentially their own private domain where they are the primary characters. Whatever happens in Gotham really only effects Batman. Thus Gotham is in many ways built around Batman is a way that New York City isn't build around Spiderman. As Spiderman has to share NY (and the criminals therein) with a multitude of other superheroes.Another advantage is that Gotham is a fictional city, so conditions there can be tailor made to showcase Batman and his abilities. The fictional nature of Gotham makes it believable for Batman to have run all of the criminals out of the city and reduced the crime rate to nearly nothing. As Spiderman's New York has a real life counterpart, the same really can't be done. A crime free New York City just isn't as believable as a crime free Gotham, imo.
well said
Originally posted by braz
lol if batman ever had to take on spidermans villains, he would just use his bat-tank like in The Dark Knight Returns or The Tumbler in Begins n blow em outta the sky, just like he did w/ superman
the bat tank would be stuck in traffic in nyc and probably get a parking violation too
Toppling buildings on Venom? Yeah, because that works so well. Superman rammed him through buildings, and Venom just bit him. Also, Batman's rogues gallery is honestly nothing compared to what Spidey has to deal with. A Bat Tank in New York is gonna get Batman fried into bat crispies. Also, if Batman saw Namor, he may call him Leanord Nimoy and get his head punched off.
Spider-Man's rogues gallery are something that Batman has never experienced before. Carnage? To be honest, Carnage may be just as f*cked up as the Joker, but he's about 200 times more deadly. Also, nobody in New York would be scared of him. New York in Marvel has seen much worse than Clayface or Killer Croc. Onslaught, Galactus, and so forth have terrorized it, so I don't think Batman would be taken seriously. That, and Marvel isn't much for the caped variety. Batman may be good for Gotham, but Spider-Man is one of those that can mop up quickly.
Originally posted by Marcus4600Good post. Seriously people. Batman goes out on one nightly patrol, runs into somebody like Carnage and now Batman's face is all over town, as well as his spleen, and arms, and liver and guts. Marvel villains wouldn't believe his hype. Batman's great, but he can't handle Spidey's rouges without huge plot devices.
Toppling buildings on Venom? Yeah, because that works so well. Superman rammed him through buildings, and Venom just bit him. Also, Batman's rogues gallery is honestly nothing compared to what Spidey has to deal with. A Bat Tank in New York is gonna get Batman fried into bat crispies. Also, if Batman saw Namor, he may call him Leanord Nimoy and get his head punched off.Spider-Man's rogues gallery are something that Batman has never experienced before. Carnage? To be honest, Carnage may be just as f*cked up as the Joker, but he's about 200 times more deadly. Also, nobody in New York would be scared of him. New York in Marvel has seen much worse than Clayface or Killer Croc. Onslaught, Galactus, and so forth have terrorized it, so I don't think Batman would be taken seriously. That, and Marvel isn't much for the caped variety. Batman may be good for Gotham, but Spider-Man is one of those that can mop up quickly.
Originally posted by brazSays the guy who said
^ha!
Originally posted by brazThat sounds like Batman to you? Kill citizens and destroy buildings to stop Venom? Quite an imagination ya got there kid😆 Ha? Right back @ ya 😆
venom?, hmmm he might be trouble but i bet if batman destroyed enough buildings, he wouldnt have newhere to go n he'd get him too eventually
carnage?, same way
depends what kinda badguys r in the city...
most of batmans enemies in gotham are non powered humans like him...except his has teh advantage of money, gadgets, and information along with element of surprise and planning. on top of that he's in better shape than most of his opponents. with the exception of low level brutes like clay face or bane..which spiderman can easily out smart or over power.
spider-man's enemies are usually stronger than he is, or at the very least as strong. so the strength is negated and he has to outsmart them as well. if a killer like carnage was on the loose, i'd rather have spider-man be in the city...joker, 2face, penguin, riddler, n madhatter really wouldnt scare me. realistically the police or army can kill them by brute force or by numbers..but they're usually inept in comics.
i think spiderman would fit in both cities since it's like a step down, batman would have more of a challenge fighting spidy's enemies. i'm sure he can do it. but the vast majority is stronger or deadlier than clayface or bane.
so it's pretty much on thugs vs super powered villains. in real life i'd worry more about a real carnage or venom than a real mad hatter/joker or mob boss.