Originally posted by CaptainStoicyou are a wise ,wise man.
When did Aquaman get so strong? has anyone read Justice yet? Did you see what those sharks did to him? As we speak he's about to become a lab experiment, Namor is stronger than Aquaman IMO and Hercules had a sparring match with him to show him who was boss, he threw him all over the place, and it didn't take place in a desert or anything, but on The Avengers floating island... Aquman does have his weapons but Herc hace his indestrutible mace, in the JLA/Avenger x-over what did She-Hulk assure Aquaman of as she ripped the armor off of him? and that was the old She-Hulk! Yea Wonder Woman did beat up on Hercules, but if Aquaman got into a serious wrestling match with her, after being accused of doing whatever Herc did to her moms, that camel clutch maneouver would have probably ripped Aquamans head off. DC keeps making their characters stronger each and every year, soon Batman will be as strong as Spiderman, I mean look at Slade! but i see what their working at, they want Aquaman to be as strong as Namor, but when he started out he was about as strong as Hawkman.
"Aquaman doesn't often have to fight physically, but when he does do things physically, whether lifting or fighting..he's proven again and again that he's in the high tier league."
High tier its where Superman/Thor/Hercules and Hulk are. Hes not there. Hes not even top tier.
He`s a guy below that has performed -some- not -many- top tier feats. His high end feats -are- top tier level.
That is not what a top tier guy is. A top tier guy performs normally/regullary at that level. That makes the high end being even above. Thats true with the guys i mentioned.
Aquaman has gone physically against Lobo, Desepero, WW, punched MM among others but its clear hes not up there. How many he was close to win? How many he matched? This is no slant to the character but the
level he usually operates. The strenght level its enough to punch and fight them. But not for any of those say: " i can lose ". Not with strenght alone.
Originally posted by olympianAnd I'm saying, that when confronted with that level characters or situations, he does indeed prove a match for any of them physically, every time. It IS consistant. The point is, just as I said, he's not portrayed as a brickhouse, he has a plethora of powers and he mixes it up well. You're arguing in a circle now.
"Aquaman doesn't often have to fight physically, but when he does do things physically, whether lifting or fighting..he's proven again and again that he's in the high tier league."High tier its where Superman/Thor/Hercules and Hulk are. Hes not there. Hes not even top tier.
He`s a guy below that has performed -some- not -many- top tier feats. His high end feats -are- top tier level.
That is not what a top tier guy is. A top tier guy performs normally/regullary at that level. That makes the high end being even above. Thats true with the guys i mentioned.
Aquaman has gone physically against Lobo, Desepero, WW, punched MM among others but its clear hes not up there. How many he was close to win? How many he matched? This is no slant to the character but the
level he usually operates. The strenght level its enough to punch and fight them. But not for any of those say: " i can lose ". Not with strenght alone.
"And I'm saying, that when confronted with that level characters or situations, he does indeed prove a match for any of them physically, every time. It IS consistant"
Look, just concead. your giving bulls here. Name the high top tier guys he matched only physically.
"The point is, just as I said, he's not portrayed as a brickhouse, he has a plethora of powers and he mixes it up well. You're arguing in a circle now"
No offense, but the only one rolling on a circle here its you. He has other powers. So what? He still engages opponents physically often. So does Superman.
That doesnt change the fact that his high physical portraits are around top tier and his regular level is below.
Originally posted by olympianWhy would I need to name them? You've been naming them off for me through this whole thing, little by little. lol. There's also many battles of his in the respect thread.
"And I'm saying, that when confronted with that level characters or situations, he does indeed prove a match for any of them physically, every time. It IS consistant"Look, just concead. your giving bulls here. Name the high top tier guys he matched only physically.
"The point is, just as I said, he's not portrayed as a brickhouse, he has a plethora of powers and he mixes it up well. You're arguing in a circle now"
No offense, but the only one rolling on a circle here its you. He has other powers. So what? He still engages opponents physically often. So does Superman.
That doesnt change the fact that his high physical portraits are around top tier and his regular level is below.
What I'm saying is, when he runs into a high tier strength, which isn't as often as Superman, he does just fine, even if its physical. When he's confronted to lift up a building, or a city block weighing thousands of tons due to the water it's displacing... he did just fine. His strength is consistant but rarely needs it due to other powers, or the fact that his comic just has him wandering through sub-deigo.
"He's lifted heavier than that,"
Not regulary. Thats my point.
"and fought characters on the level of Herc physically"
And what did he do physically to them?
"Why would I need to name them? You've been naming them off for me through this whole thing, little by little. lol. There's also many battles of his in the respect thread."
So your claiming he usually matches top tier guys without actually knowing any?
Desespero= didnt win
Lobo= was just a brief scuffle without conclusion
Triton= had conditions
WW= never came close to winning
Deep Blue six= the only one he straight out won
"What I'm saying is, when he runs into a high tier strength, which isn't as often as Superman, he does just fine, even if its physical."
You claimed he -matched- high tier guys before. Matching another high tier its what Hercules does to Thor and Marvel does to Superman.
From your posts, you seem putting Aquaman physically in the same -class- as Superman.
Before the high top tier where Superman is, you still have the regular top tier. Both boderline and middle. Thats where characters like Wonder Man, Namor and (this one is my opinion solely, i dont consider her high tier strengthwise) Wonder Woman.
The difference between these in the same class isent even big. WW and Wman are only shades below the likes of Superman in that regard.
Originally posted by olympianYou still think Herc beat WW? 😆 Hercules beat Thor? Was Thor using all of his abilities? What about Warlock? The other guys are jabronies used for plot devices.Who has he defeated that is on Aquamans level? How about above? 🏴☠️
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t360625.html
Just defeated/overpowered:
Wonder Woman
Classic thor
Mcsterson Thor
Abomination
Adam Warlock
Arkon
Thypon
The Minotaur
Atlas
Dragon Man android
Growing ManWant more? Thats not counting the times hes matched with the Hulk, Thor, Firelord, peak Namor etc.
"You still think Herc beat WW? Hercules beat Thor? Was Thor using all of his abilities? What about Warlock? The other guys are jabronies used for plot devices."
rolleyes1
How can you be in the thread where i posted the scans and not see it? You seem like you cant read. Here let me help. As you can see (put your glasses on):
The Warlock example is in the tread.
Thyphon is cl 100 depowered, carries an Uber axe and at full power an equal to zeus. These ones arent in the thread. Check Avengers # 50 of the first volume.
Hercules beat Thor physically twice and overpowered another Thor once.
One was when Thor was in the middle of the fight cut down in power and strenght. He was depowered. Same case with Herc and Onslaught Hulk. I dont count it unless one counts the said Hulk example.
Another was in the recent Blood Oath mini. H2H Herc won. Thor had to resort to lighting in order to get free. That one i count.
The other i also count its when Hercules overpowered a Mcsterson Thor, mindcontrolled by Ares and set to kill him.
The two ones i counted are in the thread. But obviously you didnt saw it, did you?
Abomination is another top tier gun. Just not high tier as of now.
Atlas is cl 100 since the Goliath days. Jabrony my arse.
Growing Man is another Big Gun. He has matched Thor briefly, beat down Hawkeye when was Goliath, did well against the rest of the Avengers etc.
How many -above- Aquaman level? Quite the number im afraid.
Originally posted by olympianI see .. .
"He's lifted heavier than that,"Not regulary. Thats my point.
"and fought characters on the level of Herc physically"
And what did he do physically to them?
"Why would I need to name them? You've been naming them off for me through this whole thing, little by little. lol. There's also many battles of his in the respect thread."
So your claiming he usually matches top tier guys without actually knowing any?
Desespero= didnt win
Lobo= was just a brief scuffle without conclusion
Triton= had conditions
WW= never came close to winning
Deep Blue six= the only one he straight out won"What I'm saying is, when he runs into a high tier strength, which isn't as often as Superman, he does just fine, even if its physical."
You claimed he -matched- high tier guys before. Matching another high tier its what Hercules does to Thor and Marvel does to Superman.
From your posts, you seem putting Aquaman physically in the same -class- as Superman.
Before the high top tier where Superman is, you still have the regular top tier. Both boderline and middle. Thats where characters like Wonder Man, Namor and (this one is my opinion solely, i dont consider her high tier strengthwise) Wonder Woman.
The difference between these in the same class isent even big. WW and Wman are only shades below the likes of Superman in that regard.
. . .. it's partially down to your interpretation of the words I'm saying then. By that I mean where you consider the tiers and matched to be[though I understand what you meant.].
Next, I'll comment on your reading ability.... or maybe thinking I just wouldn't notice. .. . Aquaman vs Despero... in issue 118, right? Where he mandhandled the Despero the whole issue, then they lock into telepathic combat and then goes off panel, and next time you see him he's dominated? He lost the battle by getting dominated telepathically. If you're reading the same issue I got.
Here's Aquaman showing up.
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5629/aquamanvsdespero010ep.jpg
Here's Aquaman choking the shit out of him and willing packs of sharks to flock in attack/distract him mentally.
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/4625/aquamanvsdespero023lg.jpg
And tackling him into the bottom of the ocean, some dodging a beam attack, and really hammering him with a punch....
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3278/aquamanvsdespero036vg.jpg
That knocks him all the way back to the top of ocean, out of it, and flying through the air. He then uses his bought time check to see if Jonn's OK, and form a little strategy, before they're attacked again..
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/546/aquamanvsdespero046th.jpg
Next Time Aquaman is seen, same as Jonn, they are mentally dominated.
I read the issue again. Your right in one regard, he did quite well physically.
Problem is it only adds one more to the top tier opponents he has either beat or matched physically wise. Only two do not equally a consistency in a class where others being discussed are. He only starts being if from now on he starts having those as his regular level.
I even had the ideia he did well against Lobo before and when looking at it again, he was manhandled.
Anyway its only two where he look better in the strenght plane. Got more?
Originally posted by olympianLike I said those guys are Jabronies used for plot devices regardless of their powerlevel.
"You still think Herc beat WW? Hercules beat Thor? Was Thor using all of his abilities? What about Warlock? The other guys are jabronies used for plot devices."rolleyes1
How can you be in the thread where i posted the scans and not see it? You seem like you cant read. Here let me help. As you can see (put your glasses on):
The Warlock example is in the tread.
Thyphon is cl 100 depowered, carries an Uber axe and at full power an equal to zeus. These ones arent in the thread. Check Avengers # 50 of the first volume.
Hercules beat Thor physically twice and overpowered another Thor once.
One was when Thor was in the middle of the fight cut down in power and strenght. He was depowered. Same case with Herc and Onslaught Hulk. I dont count it unless one counts the said Hulk example.
Another was in the recent Blood Oath mini. H2H Herc won. Thor had to resort to lighting in order to get free. That one i count.
The other i also count its when Hercules overpowered a Mcsterson Thor, mindcontrolled by Ares and set to kill him.
The two ones i counted are in the thread. But obviously you didnt saw it, did you?
Abomination is another top tier gun. Just not high tier as of now.
Atlas is cl 100 since the Goliath days. Jabrony my arse.
Growing Man is another Big Gun. He has matched Thor briefly, beat down Hawkeye when was Goliath, did well against the rest of the Avengers etc.
How many -above- Aquaman level? Quite the number im afraid.
There is a difference sunshine.
Originally posted by leonidasI should have said 90% of those guys are used for that purpose. Similar to Champion, Gladiator, Rhino etc.
thor is a plot device? 😕don't forget terminus whom herc pretty much single-handedly beat. he's most certainly not a jabrone.
but if it came to a h2h fight, am would end up being checked into the smackdown hotel! if he uses all his powers, am could win.
I am not saying those guys are powerful but they are just used to make Herc look strong.
And I am not saying Aquaman is gonna kick Hercs @ss either. It's gonna be a tough fight but if Aqaman uses his abilites he should win more often.
