Originally posted by snoopdogg
I should have said 90% of those guys are used for that purpose. Similar to Champion, Gladiator, Rhino etc.I am not saying those guys are powerful but they are just used to make Herc look strong.
And I am not saying Aquaman is gonna kick Hercs @ss either. It's gonna be a tough fight but if Aqaman uses his abilites he should win more often.
LOL yeah those guys do make Herc seem alot better, hey that kinda reminds of something with Aquaman. Oh yeah his magic hand cuz without it he would just be another guy on Herc's list of Rhino's and such🙂
Without some crazy new gimmik for AM I am afraid his ability to command fish on land would be of little use and his mediocre physical showings wouldn't really help either🙂
Originally posted by olympian
I read the issue again. Your right in one regard, he did quite well physically.Problem is it only adds one more to the top tier opponents he has either beat or matched physically wise. Only two do not equally a consistency in a class where others being discussed are. He only starts being if from now on he starts having those as his regular level.
I even had the ideia he did well against Lobo before and when looking at it again, he was manhandled.
Anyway its only two where he look better in the strenght plane. Got more?
What was the conditions for the Triton fight? It looked like an ass-beating to me.
Point is, he can play around in Hercs bracket physically, he may not be able to beat Wonder Woman, but hey... neither will Herc. lol. All powers intact.. he should gather most wins fairly easily.
Originally posted by soleran30It worked just fine on Namor. 😱Without some crazy new gimmik for AM I am afraid his ability to command fish on land would be of little use and his mediocre physical showings wouldn't really help either🙂
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Originally posted by soleran30Not true. Alot of his best showings have nothing to do with the water hand.
LOL yeah those guys do make Herc seem alot better, hey that kinda reminds of something with Aquaman. Oh yeah his magic hand cuz without it he would just be another guy on Herc's list of Rhino's and such🙂Without some crazy new gimmik for AM I am afraid his ability to command fish on land would be of little use and his mediocre physical showings wouldn't really help either🙂
He took out Triton. Fighting Despero (though he technically had the hand, it was covered by a glove and not used). Taking out most of the Deep Six, including Slig (A Superman strength level character.). Ripping Cerberus' head off and throwing it through the gates of hell. Devolving the Shark. And many more. And pretty much all his TP feats have nothing to do with the hand either.
The Water hand was only ever used regularly in the first 12 issues of the current series. Since it was Rick Veitch's creation, he knew what to do with it. After he left though (which was a very good thing) it's been used very little. Other writers tended to ignore it for the most part. Which in fact even seemed to lead to Aquaman donning the gloves again.
The Water hand is used as a way for victory in the Versus forum simply because it is very powerful, and the easiest way for Aquaman to win.
Aquaman is extremely capable without it though.
Originally posted by snoopdoggNot to mention if this fight is happeneing anywhere near the coast, well, i think it's safe to say that Aquaman's contact with sea life would come in very handy.
It worked just fine on Namor. 😱💃 ....................... 😄
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Herc would be in trouble if Aquaman did this. Superboy was.
Puhlease Superboy's powers are so much beyond AM's thats just embarassing to watch a writer even produce such crap🙂 SB may not have been able to hold back all the water but heat vision and TTK would have kept water from ever touching him...........................Now as for Herc he might be in for a little swim..............................so what make the fight in the sahara🙂
Originally posted by soleran30He didn't have his Superman powers when he was stuck at 16.
Puhlease Superboy's powers are so much beyond AM's thats just embarassing to watch a writer even produce such crap🙂 SB may not have been able to hold back all the water but heat vision and TTK would have kept water from ever touching him...........................Now as for Herc he might be in for a little swim..............................so what make the fight in the sahara🙂
Originally posted by Juntai
He didn't have his Superman powers when he was stuck at 16.
No his goggles let him have some super vision as well as his TTK dude any sort of TK and he was still very powerful with TTK then would woop AM's arse.....................make him stab himself with that puny pitchfork for a hand🙂
Anyway Hercules couldn't do that however................
but if you get an inkling for SB vs AM thread please feel free🙂
Hercules would more then likely lose in the water.
Originally posted by soleran30He was a rookie, and his powers back then were questionable and varried a lot. He wasn't on Aquaman's level yet, physically, in experience, or in confidence.
No his goggles let him have some super vision as well as his TTK dude any sort of TK and he was still very powerful with TTK then would woop AM's arse.....................make him stab himself with that puny pitchfork for a hand🙂Anyway Hercules couldn't do that however................
but if you get an inkling for SB vs AM thread please feel free🙂
Hercules would more then likely lose in the water.
"Like I said those guys are Jabronies used for plot devices regardless of their powerlevel.
There is a difference sunshine."
Mcsterson Thor isent a jabronie. That Terminus wasent. Warlock inever was. Goliath/Atlas certainly isent. He has given problem to Hercules and Thor. Including knocking out Herc in Avengers siege. Classic Thor, Hulk and Namor arent jabronies either. And he has at least stalemated all of them.
The only one who IS a jabronie is Abomination who hasent done a thing outside beating Hulk the first time when he was stronger. Problem is he`s still top tier and has to be counted. Hercules and the others are just stronger. No shame in that.
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"Yeah, he beat Olympian physically."
He used the magic Trident, didnt he? It "stabbed" on Olympian`s chest before AQ ever laid a punch iirc.
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"An Imperiex Probe."
The Magic Trident. They made it clear he needed it in order to defend his realm.
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"What was the conditions for the Triton fight? It looked like an ass-beating to me."
The condition of workship. The right to its power. The deziens of the seas saw the fight to be decided who they wanted as protector. Triton also implied that he would prefer to just kill him right there instead of going with the "ancient ways". At least its what i got from reading the issue.
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"Herc would be in trouble if Aquaman did this. Superboy was"
Herc doesnt need to breath. Immortal Herc anyway. Altho for some dumb reason they sometimes showed him with an air breather like the rest of the Avengers. Thor as well. In Namor # 58 Stinger even says Mcsterson is using the air breather just to fit in with everyone altho he doesnt even need it.
Regarding of what he can do underwater, he has fought Namor well in the past and walked thro Jean`s TK (when she was a "cacoon" in the bottom of the ocean) that was restraining everyone else, Namor included.
Originally posted by olympianWell according to Triton the Trident isn't where the power comes from. But regardless of that, the Trident has been shown to have it's own magic.
"Yeah, he beat Olympian physically."He used the magic Trident, didnt he? It "stabbed" on Olympian`s chest before AQ ever laid a punch iirc.
In the fight with Olympian there was no magic effects shown or stated to be used. Aquaman used the Trident simply as a melee weapon and then KO'ed him with his fist. IMO a physical victory.
Originally posted by olympianNow in this fight magic is actually shown to be coursing through the Trident, unlike the Olympian fight. So yeah, the armour and Trident were the key to his victory here.
"An Imperiex Probe."The Magic Trident. They made it clear he needed it in order to defend his realm.
Originally posted by olympianYeah, but you're looking for examples of Aquaman beating top/high tier characters in a purely physical match. This is a perfect example.
"What was the conditions for the Triton fight? It looked like an ass-beating to me."The condition of workship. The right to its power. The deziens of the seas saw the fight to be decided who they wanted as protector. Triton also implied that he would prefer to just kill him right there instead of going with the "ancient ways". At least its what i got from reading the issue.
Triton is definately up there in strength. In this scan he's manhandling a younger Wonder Woman.
Aquaman beat him in a purely physical confrontation where both are clearly going all out.
Originally posted by olympianAquaman flooding the coast will no doubt disorientate Hercules a great deal. And if the fight does move underwater, Hercules will be at a great disadvantage, even if he can breath, since Aquaman's other abilities would come into play at full force and he'd have him completely outmatched in speed.
"Herc would be in trouble if Aquaman did this. Superboy was"Herc doesnt need to breath. Immortal Herc anyway. Altho for some dumb reason they sometimes showed him with an air breather like the rest of the Avengers. Thor as well. In Namor # 58 Stinger even says Mcsterson is using the air breather just to fit in with everyone altho he doesnt even need it.
Regarding of what he can do underwater, he has fought Namor well in the past and walked thro Jean`s TK (when she was a "cacoon" in the bottom of the ocean) that was restraining everyone else, Namor included.
Good post^
Thing is... it's shown he can hang in Herc's bracket physically. Herc might be stronger, might be more durable, but I don't see it as a simply vast margin where Hercs just going to pick up a rock and smash him with it, which is where this physical debate started. lolol.
Given his much more vast array of powers and being able to hang physically as well, Herc simply becomes too one dimensional for Aquaman, and he'd gather more wins in however many confrontations.
Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Not to mention if this fight is happeneing anywhere near the coast, well, i think it's safe to say that Aquaman's contact with sea life would come in very handy.1. http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/5193/aquamanv503159xf.jpg
2. http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/9127/aquamanv503169et.jpg
3. http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/5830/aquamanv503170zn.jpgHerc would be in trouble if Aquaman did this. Superboy was.
Ha! Namor could do that without whales. 😛
And Aquaman would kick Superboy's ass.
"In the fight with Olympian there was no magic effects shown or stated to be used. Aquaman used the Trident simply as a melee weapon and then KO'ed him with his fist. IMO a physical victory.
Now in this fight magic is actually shown to be coursing through the Trident, unlike the Olympian fight. So yeah, the armour and Trident were the key to his victory here"
I had the impression the power the Trident possesed was something ineherent to it. In the Imperiex fight we only see magic glimpses when Aq stabs the probe. I saw the Olympian example as something alike.
But considering there was no statement or glimpses that magic was used, you are correct. He needed to use the trident, but it was still his force behind the trow. Same with Olympian trowing that discuss at MM or Hercules using his mace on someone. Correct. That makes 3.
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"Triton is definately up there in strength. In this scan he's manhandling a younger Wonder Woman.
Aquaman beat him in a purely physical confrontation where both are clearly going all out."
This one i have honestly doubts. Triton is up there, but the way the fight was presented to us, gives an implication that workship had something to do with it. Triton itself claims he doenst wish to, but he has to follow the ancient battle rules, other than just kill him.
This one is a matter of reading it i guess.
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"Aquaman flooding the coast will no doubt disorientate Hercules a great deal. And if the fight does move underwater, Hercules will be at a great disadvantage, even if he can breath, since Aquaman's other abilities would come into play at full force and he'd have him completely outmatched in speed"
AQ underwater will have the advantage, its his home turf after all, and Herc doenst even pack flight to use against the opponent. AQ is going to be at his best and Herc isent.
I dont belive however as one poster said, its going to be easy (wasent you), he has nice underwater feats for someone who totally is out of his element.
And yes. As immortal he doesnt need to breath. Unless the writer forgets about it. Wich has happened in more than one ocassion.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Namor does it without stinky water hands. 😒And I'd still give Aquaman the advantage against Superboy.
Stifle thine Namor filth! Current Superboy would own those 2 so quickly it would be embarassing................lets see he survived the full on beating of SBP. Yeah these 2 guys aren't more powerful then him and certainly not gonna say more durable.
Anyway on land far far from water I would give Herc good odds 5/10 or better since people are saying that magic hand is doing less and less today!
Originally posted by soleran30It's still a usable part of his arsenal in the arguements.
Stifle thine Namor filth! Current Superboy would own those 2 so quickly it would be embarassing................lets see he survived the full on beating of SBP. Yeah these 2 guys aren't more powerful then him and certainly not gonna say more durable.Anyway on land far far from water I would give Herc good odds 5/10 or better since people are saying that magic hand is doing less and less today!
And I hope people realise Aquaman doesn't dry out and weaken anymore.
