Originally posted by soujaboy09Actually bothering to read what a person is saying, rather than responding to what you wish they were saying would do marvels for your credibility.
So a punch from Superman is going to send Juggernaut to space? The god blast only pushed Cain back a little, and he was standidng still then.
Originally posted by soujaboy09
Well in Uncanny X-Men #12 Jean lifted in the air with TK, he summoned his shield, and started walking towards her.Why does he need prep if all he has to do is think, and his shield is summoned?
How is superman punching Juggernaut into space especially if Juggernauts walking froward?
Because (as I have already explained) Superman can move and fight more than 10,009,206 times faster than a person can think. So yes, Juggy can turn on his shield, but by the time he does he should be passing the orbit of Neptune.
In space there isn't anything for Juggy to push off of to change his direction. And even it there were, NASA has to use complex calculations in order to successfully land on another planet (and even they miss a good number of times). Juggernaut couldn't just push off something and return to earth.
He would have to plot a a complicated trajectory that takes into account his speed, the speed the earth is going around the sun, the distance between himself and the earth, the orbit of earth, and the angle he would intercept the planet at so he doesn't bounce off the atmosphere. If Juggy had a few doctorates from MIT he might have a slim shot, but as it stands he has none.
Originally posted by TheKahn
Because (as I have already explained) Superman can move and fight more than 10,009,206 times faster than a person can think. So yes, Juggy can turn on his shield, but by the time he does he should be passing the orbit of Neptune.In space there isn't anything for Juggy to push off of to change his direction. And even it there were, NASA has to use complex calculations in order to successfully land on another planet (and even they miss a good number of times). Juggernaut couldn't just push off something and return to earth.
He would have to plot a a complicated trajectory that takes into account his speed, the speed the earth is going around the sun, the distance between himself and the earth, the orbit of earth, and the angle he would intercept the planet at so he doesn't bounce off the atmosphere. If Juggy had a few doctorates from MIT he might have a slim shot, but as it stands he has none.
If comics were based off real things, there wouldn't be comics.
If the two of them were in an indestructible no ring out type of situation, can Superman hurt the Juggernaut, while Cain is prepared to take his hits? I don't think so... but the same can be said about Superman when he braces himself, and I'm referring to his recent fight with Doomsday Rex, DD caught him off guard and stopped his heart, but when he braced himself, Doomsday ended up breaking his knuckles... if this was the scenario and they fought it would be an endless stalemate, as neither opponent would be able to hurt the other, Superman is stronger though, but as we've seen strength alone won't do it. And another thing Juggernaut has been stopped, War Hulk stopped him, and Cain was stunned because he always thought that no force could stop him. Some will argue that it was because of the Celestial modifications that he underwent, but if you read closer it specifically states that, he (Apokalypse) was just bringing out the Hulks true power, not giving him anything that he wasn't capable of in the first place.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
If the two of them were in an indestructible no ring out type of situation, can Superman hurt the Juggernaut, while Cain is prepared to take his hits? I don't think so... but the same can be said about Superman when he braces himself, and I'm referring to his recent fight with Doomsday Rex, DD caught him off guard and stopped his heart, but when he braced himself, Doomsday ended up breaking his knuckles... if this was the scenario and they fought it would be an endless stalemate, as neither opponent would be able to hurt the other, Superman is stronger though, but as we've seen strength alone won't do it. And another thing Juggernaut has been stopped, War Hulk stopped him, and Cain was stunned because he always thought that no force could stop him. Some will argue that it was because of the Celestial modifications that he underwent, but if you read closer it specifically states that, he (Apokalypse) was just bringing out the Hulks true power, not giving him anything that he wasn't capable of in the first place.
He was also stopped by the Godblast. 😄
Originally posted by soujaboy09
I can admit that Juggernaut would lose, but not to Superman.Can you do me a favor, and voice out how you think the fight would go?
One more time, hows Superman getting Cain to space
I think myself and others have explained this numerous times already but I'll indulge you once more.
The main difficulty Juggernaut has in this fight is that Superman is orders of magnitude faster than him. Superman is a the Flash's league speed-wise and Juggernaut only has about normal human speed/reaction times. Do you see the difference? The analogy of a snail versus a fighter jet wouldn't begin to describe the speed difference between the two.
The fight would start and before the sound of the starting bell reached Juggernaut's ears, Superman has picked him up and thrown him into space. Superman is just that fast. Juggernaut wouldn't even be aware that anything had happened let alone have time to actually do anything. One second he is standing on the earth and the next he is floating through space. There nothing Juggernaut can do to prevent it as it would take longer for his brain to process the information of what is happening than it would for Superman to attack.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
If the two of them were in an indestructible no ring out type of situation, can Superman hurt the Juggernaut, while Cain is prepared to take his hits? I don't think so... but the same can be said about Superman when he braces himself, and I'm referring to his recent fight with Doomsday Rex, DD caught him off guard and stopped his heart, but when he braced himself, Doomsday ended up breaking his knuckles... if this was the scenario and they fought it would be an endless stalemate, as neither opponent would be able to hurt the other, Superman is stronger though, but as we've seen strength alone won't do it. And another thing Juggernaut has been stopped, War Hulk stopped him, and Cain was stunned because he always thought that no force could stop him. Some will argue that it was because of the Celestial modifications that he underwent, but if you read closer it specifically states that, he (Apokalypse) was just bringing out the Hulks true power, not giving him anything that he wasn't capable of in the first place.
I wouldn't put Juggernauts invulnerability, and Superman invulnerability in the same category.
I could be wrong, but I have the scans and I don't remember apocalypse saying that.
Superman being stronger than Juggernaut? thats debatable
Originally posted by TheKahn
I think myself and others have explained this numerous times already but I'll indulge you once more.The main difficulty Juggernaut has in this fight is that Superman is orders of magnitude faster than him. Superman is a the Flash's league speed-wise and Juggernaut only has about normal human speed/reaction times. Do you see the difference? The analogy of a snail versus a fighter jet wouldn't [b]begin
to describe the speed difference between the two.The fight would start and before the sound of the starting bell reached Juggernaut's ears, Superman has picked him up and thrown him into space. Superman is just that fast. Juggernaut wouldn't even be aware that anything had happened let alone have time to actually do anything. One second he is standing on the earth and the next he is floating through space. There nothing Juggernaut can do to prevent it as it would take longer for his brain to process the information of what is happening than it would for Superman to attack. [/B]
Ok, now I get what your saying, why doesn't Superman do that to all his opponets, like Thor?
Originally posted by soujaboy09Because it wouldn't have much of an effect on some of his enemies, and others are a bit too versitile for him to do that.
Ok, now I get what your saying, why doesn't Superman do that to all his opponets, like Thor?
People need to remember that the enemies are usually power suited for the hero in question.
^ Exactly. Supes tries to spleedbitz Thor, and Thor rains down a hell of a lot of mystic lighting on his arse. I don't think Superman is uber smart, but he's not a retard either. There's a reason he doesn't use Super-speed on a lot of opponents, because it doesn't work in every case. Let's say that he's fighting Iron Man. Now, Tony knows Iron Man is very smart, and may have prepared for the battle. He could go rushing into a Kryptonite force field, or a beam of Red Sun energy if he ran in like a douchebag.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Walking on air, defying the force of gravity. his ally in this instance ignored leaves him no way back.Because the speed of thought would be too slow for one who moves many many times faster than that. Trancending lightspeed even.
He's not punching him, he's throwing him.
How can juggernaut start walking foreward if he's already escaping the gravity well (which you are happy enough to show his sheild cancels out) of the earth?
Can Superman reach lightspeed in Earth's atmosphere and will he be able to accelerate to it immediately. And single events dont count because writers have had Superman do a lot of crazy stuff which most people agree is not canon