Originally posted by mighty adam
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MARVEL VS DC NEVER EVER EVER!!!! TALK OF THAT TRASH ASS COMIC AGAIN. that comic was so full of bs lobo getting beat by wolverine, wonder woman by storm. bs just bs. 😠
that one your referring too is fan voted, supes actually did lay waste to thor
Originally posted by outarddwarfMore wishful thinking. He can do that within the earth's atmosphere by walking on air, with no air he wouldn't be able to walk on anything. He looses.
Juggernaut could come back. Even when chucked into space he would activate his sheild and it would start stealing his inertia. Then he would walk back to earth.
Originally posted by mighty adam
superman only moves 90 speed of light. superman moveing the moon and planets are all pre c stuff so yeah STOP HYPEING SUPERMAN
Um no not at all. Post Supes has moved at speeds greater than light speed and has moved the moon, and has many other super feats like being at ground zero of a blast equal to 1 million nukes.
Originally posted by CreshoskOk lets put this in perspective.
More wishful thinking. He can do that within the earth's atmosphere by walking on air, with no air he wouldn't be able to walk on anything. He looses.
B) Superman other abilities are really useless in this battle. All his long range attacks can't hurt him and punches won't be able to put down Juggernaut we all know this.
Now that this is said Supes only chance is to get Juggs by BFR into to space.
Fact Juggs has a shield that can reduce momentum of objects slowing them down which he showed when Thor threw his hammer at Cain.
Secondly Supes has alot of strength but I doubt he will be able to hurl Juggs into space as Juggs has enough strength to counter any attempt.
For those saying that Cain won't see it something true Supes has alot of flying speed but he has never really shown the ability to fight at said speeds he is still a ton faster then Juggs but not so much so that Juggs can't react once he puts that shield up Supes effectively looses his only real advantage in this fight everything else belongs to cain in terms of Power Durability and Stamina. Plus since his powers are based on Magic that could give him an even bigger advantage in this fight.
Originally posted by newjak86
Ok lets put this in perspective.
A) Superman has one two advantages speed and flight.B) Superman other abilities are really useless in this battle. All his long range attacks can't hurt him and punches won't be able to put down Juggernaut we all know this.
Now that this is said Supes only chance is to get Juggs by BFR into to space.
Fact Juggs has a shield that can reduce momentum of objects slowing them down which he showed when Thor threw his hammer at Cain.
Secondly Supes has alot of strength but I doubt he will be able to hurl Juggs into space as Juggs has enough strength to counter any attempt.
For those saying that Cain won't see it something true Supes has alot of flying speed but he has never really shown the ability to fight at said speeds he is still a ton faster then Juggs but not so much so that Juggs can't react once he puts that shield up Supes effectively looses his only real advantage in this fight everything else belongs to cain in terms of Power Durability and Stamina. Plus since his powers are based on Magic that could give him an even bigger advantage in this fight.
Superman fighting at high speeds (from the Superman respect thread):
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And Superman can move much faster than Juggernaut can ever hope to react to. Here are some previously posted speed feats:
Here he flies half way around the world and back before Lois can even finish her sentence
Lifting and/or throwing an individual has absolutely nothing to do with that individual's physical strength only their weight. Where you guys are getting the idea that being stronger makes it harder for someone to pick you up or to throw you, I don't know. At most Juggernaut weights a few thousand pounds which Superman could most likely put into orbit with one arm tied around his back.
Originally posted by TheKahnThose scans are impresive but if you noticed they don't exactly show him throwing them into space or flying them into space infact since they have to time to make movements at all shows that Juggs would have time to react and put his shield up as he only needs an instant.
Superman fighting at high speeds (from the Superman respect thread):http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/4530/08222005115613am7bx.jpg
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/679/08222005124311pm3un.jpg
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/9203/pics0017bn.jpg
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/4214/superman20speed20vs20mongul202.jpg
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9558/supermanandmongul8pr.jpgAnd Superman can move much faster than Juggernaut can ever hope to react to. Here are some previously posted speed feats:
Here he flies half way around the world and back before Lois can even finish her sentence
Lifting and/or throwing an individual has absolutely nothing to do with that individual's physical strength only their weight. Where you guys are getting the idea that being stronger makes it harder for someone to pick you up or to throw you, I don't know. At most Juggernaut weights a few thousand pounds which Superman could most likely put into orbit with one arm tied around his back.
Oh by the way having strength can help from being thrown as throwing someone requires physically moving them. You see your muscles work to lift the weight and go against the inertia of the object being thrown when the object is still or can't apply pressure then it is a non factor but when something has say muscles then they can counteract the force being applied to them with their own. Now if Juggs was standing still not counteracting the throw then yes Supes would hurl him like a rage doll but since Cain can counteract with equal or possibly greater force then no he can't be thrown so easily
Originally posted by Creshosk
More wishful thinking. He can do that within the earth's atmosphere by walking on air, with no air he wouldn't be able to walk on anything. He looses.
His unstoppability definetly isn't based upon air. It is a magical effect he is granted by his connection with cyttorak so he doesn't need the air to continue walking.
Originally posted by golem370
Never think ring outs are acceptable in my thread. But Superman wouldn't just win like that because of Juggernauts force field and his strength like smacking Superman is the face and Superman drops Juggernaut
Superman is to fast for Juggs to hit him. By the time Juggs tries to swing at Supes, he'll be in space in no time. Superman has alot of ways of getting Juggs off the ground; he could use Heat Vision as a concussive blast to push him into the air, grab a huge piece of the ground Juggs is standing on then toss him in midair, or just grab him by his legs or punch hard enough that he'll fly in the air. After doing any of the methods I just mentioned, Supes could easily just fly around punding him in midair until they reach space.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Would you care to prove that he can walk through space?
Would you care to show scans that he can't? Didn't think so considering he has never been there. His walking is Magical in nature and therfore not subject to physical laws. So, there is no doubt in my mind that he would walk through space.
Originally posted by outarddwarfSorry burden of proof is on your shoulders. You can't prove a negative, otherwise would you care to show a scan showing superman not just blinking him out of existence? or using godly telepathy that penetrates the strongest of sheilding including magical sheilding.
Would you care to show scans that he can't?
Originally posted by outarddwarfProve it.
Didn't think so considering he has never been there. His walking is Magical in nature and therfore not subject to physical laws. So, there is no doubt in my mind that he would walk through space.
Oh I'm sorry, he's never done that, so unless you show us walking through space the natural assumption is that he can't do it unless he's shown to be able to. So stop making the claim that he can until you show suffecient evidence otherwise yuo're going to start coming off sounding like a fanboy. Claiming your character can do things he's never shown to be able to do. Sorta like a certain person whom nobody takes seriously because of such actions.
Originally posted by CreshoskI know perfectly well Superman's speed he was able to fly from the around the Sun to Earth in a very short time period.
Cain woulsn't be able to as he wouldn't have the time to react. You still fail to grasp the concept that Superman's speed is too great for Cain to have a chane to react. He will be in outer space before he can react, period.Superman wins by BFR, no matter how much you wish it were otherwise.
But what you fail to realize is he has never shown the ability to fight at his flying speed's don't get me wrong Supes will be able to land quite a few, infact many blows before Cain can throw one though it isn't so great Cain won't be able to think. You can think faster than you can move after all. All it takes is for him to put up the shield then Supes one and only advantage is gone once Supes Speed goes down to a crawl then he is the same speed infact probably slower than Cain.
This whole he will fly him before Cain even realizes is just plain stupid. Yes he's fast in space but he is slower in Earth's atmosphere and so much so I doubt he will take Cain into Space before Cain can understand what is going on. He may be able to get to him and pick him up but after that Cain would have plenty of time to put the shield up.
Oh Cres by the way half of what these forums are coming up with new inventive ways for a person to win based upon abilities seen. Thats why everyone was like Silver Surfer can just turn someone into cheese or a ham sandwich has he ever done it before no but he has shown an ability to do something like it before. Is there a scan for it no.
Has Juggs ever walked in space no but he defied the laws of physics once before already by moving forward where no solid object was there for him to do it. Likely if he was trying he could walk in space if he wanted to bad enough.
Originally posted by newjak86Why would he need to? Outside of Golem's ridiculous demands a BFR would usually suffice. and that doesn't require fighting speed.
I know perfectly well Superman's speed he was able to fly from the around the Sun to Earth in a very short time period.But what you fail to realize is he has never shown the ability to fight at his flying speed's
Though technically Superman's fighting speed is still greater than Juggernauts what with the vibrating through punches tirck in his arsenal.
Originally posted by newjak86again going off of my premise for BFR cain would have to think faster than Superman could fly, and Cain can't think at the speed of light, let alone 8 times that.
don't get me wrong Supes will be able to land quite a few, infact many blows before Cain can throw one though it isn't so great Cain won't be able to think.
Originally posted by newjak86Oh so Cain's sheild gives him super speed. Nice to know. care to give some scans showing this?
You can think faster than you can move after all. All it takes is for him to put up the shield then Supes one and only advantage is gone once Supes Speed goes down to a crawl then he is the same speed infact probably slower than Cain.
Originally posted by newjak86Only because he holds back. seriously, hes' even said and shown that in the comics.
This whole he will fly him before Cain even realizes is just plain stupid. Yes he's fast in space but he is slower in Earth's atmosphere
So no the assertation that a guy who cvan acheive at least light speed within a double black hole cannot fly very fast in earth's atmosphere is a self deluded gulability. That is illogical and ripe with wishful thinking. And it goes against cannon comic book evidence.
Originally posted by newjak86so Cain thinks faster than 8 times the speed of light now? Care to show the scans?
and so much so I doubt he will take Cain into Space before Cain can understand what is going on.
Originally posted by newjak86Not unless he can think at speeds faster than Superman can fly.
He may be able to get to him and pick him up but after that Cain would have plenty of time to put the shield up.
Originally posted by newjak86So you have no evidence and are now trying to justify unfounded claims?
Oh Cres by the way half of what these forums are coming up with new inventive ways for a person to win based upon abilities seen. Thats why everyone was like Silver Surfer can just turn someone into cheese or a ham sandwich has he ever done it before no but he has shown an ability to do something like it before. Is there a scan for it no.
Has Juggs ever walked in space no but he defied the laws of physics once before already by moving forward where no solid object was there for him to do it. Likely if he was trying he could walk in space if he wanted to bad enough.
Nice, they don't fly, but it was a nice try.
OR are we just making up new abilities for the characters never before seen in comics?
Okay post crises Superman blinks juggernaut out of existence. how that for BFR?
