what i was saying was that as he was flying from being pitched by superman, not denying in anyway that the sheild is slower than superman, he would activate it and since it steals the inertia from objects, while he was flying through the air on his way to space it would slow him down allowing him to fall back to earth and return for a repeat proformence. Hence my thought of stalemate.
Originally posted by outarddwarfAppearently you don't grasp the concept of what 8 times the speed of light means.
what i was saying was that as he was flying from being pitched by superman, not denying in anyway that the sheild is slower than superman, he would activate it and since it steals the inertia from objects, while he was flying through the air on his way to space it would slow him down allowing him to fall back to earth and return for a repeat proformence. Hence my thought of stalemate.
It means that in one minute he'd be in the sun. Half a minute (30 seconds) he'd be haf way to the sun.
By the time he realized what was happening he'd already be out of the earth's gravity well. meaning gravity would not be able to touch him, much like how Satilites orbit the earth by falling at such a low angle they never hit the Earth.
Juggernaut is the newest satelite. And Superman wins by BFR.
Originally posted by juggernaut66666Until it can be confirmed just how heavy that object is it propbably shouldn't be used as a feat.
did you know that thor is above class 1000 000 ? look at thor respect thread where thor and iron man lifts an obstecale and iron may says "i don't know how "I don't know how many millions of tones this weigh but we should get rid of it"
In any case Superman doesn't need to be millions of tons of strength, he just needs to be strong enough to lift Juggernaut, and strong enough to throw Juggernauts weight outside of Earth's orbit.
Originally posted by outarddwarfWhat's your basis for thinking that a man who helped move a moon would be incapable of grabbing Juggernaut and hauling his sorry butt outside of the earth's orbit?
superman couldn't throw juggernaut with enough strength to make him reach eight times the speed of light. He could only move in and make the motions at that speed.
Juggernaut weighs more than a moon? Funny how his movements don't effect the earth outside of minor tremors and broken ground.
Once again you fail to understand the timetable he's faced with. His inertial sheild is NOT a passive ability. He has to activate it. And lacking superspeed he won't beable to do it fast enough.
Someone catch me up, because if theres no prep, hows Superman going to know what to expect from his opponet? He doesn't know that Juggernaut can just stomp right over him, so why would Superman just run up on him and throw him(if he could)? That would be like Juggernaut walking into the fight with his shield up.
Originally posted by soujaboy09
Someone catch me up, because if theres no prep, hows Superman going to know what to expect from his opponet? He doesn't know that Juggernaut can just stomp right over him, so why would Superman just run up on him and throw him(if he could)? That would be like Juggernaut walking into the fight with his shield up.
Prep time
Neither side receives any notable prep time before the starting bell. Neither side may take any offensive or defensive actions before the starting bell. Planning is allowed and powers that are automatic or 'always on' can be up, but actions such as setting up forcefields, taking flight, or consciously activating powers is not. For example, Batman cannot shove together an 'anti-Avengers ray' before the fight.
Basic knowledge
]Each side receives basic knowledge of the other. A good measure of this would be what the general population of the character's homeworld knows. For example, that Superman has a weakness to Kryptonite is general knowledge, but that he's Clark Kent is not.
So to recap, Battle plans are allowed, knowing basically what Juggneraut is, is. (He kinda draws a bit of attention.)
Activating the forcefeild before the fight is not allowed.
Hope that answers your question, though the simplest answer is:
It's in Da rules.
Originally posted by Creshosk
What's your basis for thinking that a man who helped move a moon would be incapable of grabbing Juggernaut and hauling his sorry butt outside of the earth's orbit?Juggernaut weighs more than a moon? Funny how his movements don't effect the earth outside of minor tremors and broken ground.
Once again you fail to understand the timetable he's faced with. His inertial sheild is NOT a passive ability. He has to activate it. And lacking superspeed he won't beable to do it fast enough.
Super supporters havent been claiming that he would grab and fly him to outerspace. They have been arguing throwing juggernaut. I made no comments based on his weight or supermans ability to haul him to space. If you would really read my post you would have notice it said THROW juggernaut that fast not carry juggernaut that fast. Oh and the question is speed not ability, because superman wasn't traveling at the speed of light while helping to push the moon. Not to say that he couldn't carry juggernaut just that you shouldn't make it out to sound like he pushes the moon at light speeds so juggernaut wouldn't be anything.
Originally posted by KillAll
actually juggernauts shield is automatic... it seems to take a conscious effort to shut it off. it seems to be just radiating energy that rolls off his body. usually he has to shut it off with thought, not turn it on 😉, food for thought...
true. it was their when he was hit by the godforce which took him by suprise and when he was hit by the truck spiderman was driving.
Originally posted by Creshosk
What's your basis for thinking that a man who helped move a moon would be incapable of grabbing Juggernaut and hauling his sorry butt outside of the earth's orbit?Juggernaut weighs more than a moon? Funny how his movements don't effect the earth outside of minor tremors and broken ground.
Once again you fail to understand the timetable he's faced with. His inertial sheild is NOT a passive ability. He has to activate it. And lacking superspeed he won't beable to do it fast enough.
All true
Ok so heres several questions, the first is how fast can Supes reach the speed of light? Is it instantaneous, o does he have to work up to it? Secondly about Juggs personal forcefield thing. Now I know there is an established speed for thought 67 m.p.h, but how about pure instinct? At this point in time I think its safe to assume tha Juggs can intiate his force field off of instinct. Then you have to argue that instinct is different, because its not a conscious thought then. So after that my question would be whats the speed of a subconscious, or instinctual thought? Alsowhen Thor threw his hammer at Juggs how fast was it going? is it possible that Juggs walks around with his Force field on all the time? But since this is a classic Juggs fight i guess i can limit my questions. The problem I guess we have here is that we have two characters whose probabilities are only limited by the imaginations and logic of their writers. It is quite possible for Juggs to gain super speed and flight, but the reasoning or need hasn't been brought about yet. Superman has the logic train that the longer he stays in the sun the stronger he can get, so the measure of his power is not yet ascertained, even for classic Juggs, who can summon anything from Cyttorak, but so far only summons strength. So in short this is an impossible battle where the decisions is decided off of your pesonal bias.
How much strength can Juggs take from Cyttorak? Personally I am not for either or. I really hate those super strong characters who have stupid weaknesses that should negate their advantage. Then writers go on to create a really stupid plot device to get rid of their weakness or have the character overcome the weakness in a really cheesy way. But since we are ont he subject of Juggs I thought i would introduce this link cuz its the funniest I've ever seen.
Originally posted by KillAllThat explains Nimrod and Hulk doesn't it? Oh wait, it doesn't.
actually juggernauts shield is automatic... it seems to take a conscious effort to shut it off. it seems to be just radiating energy that rolls off his body. usually he has to shut it off with thought, not turn it on 😉, food for thought...
Originally posted by soujaboy09Right, iIt being true makes me say it not the other way around.
That makes since, and this thread is mixed dictions, so just because creshoks says Superman is in a league above Juggernaut doesn't make it true.
Originally posted by outarddwarfAnd why wouldn't he be able to move juggernaut before his sheild was up? Throw him or carry him or whatever?
Super supporters havent been claiming that he would grab and fly him to outerspace. They have been arguing throwing juggernaut. I made no comments based on his weight or supermans ability to haul him to space. If you would really read my post you would have notice it said THROW juggernaut that fast not carry juggernaut that fast. Oh and the question is speed not ability, because superman wasn't traveling at the speed of light while helping to push the moon. Not to say that he couldn't carry juggernaut just that you shouldn't make it out to sound like he pushes the moon at light speeds so juggernaut wouldn't be anything.
It's not like he's absolutly immoble without the sheild which he still has to conciously put up. and not like Superman is so weak that he can't move Juggernaughts weight.
And yes he can move the Moon so Juggernaut would be like nothing because Juggernaut is Significatly lighter than the moon.
Originally posted by mighty adam
classic juggy is god like plus he is magic. like one guy said if supes can throw him in space he win if not superman gets his shit pushed in. classic juggy can beat doomdays with easy. 8th day kicked thor's ass and took his god blast. classic and 8th juggy was really unbeatable if written right.
the flaw with juggy is that is slow as hell.. a well written thor beats/ staimates juggy. he can dodge any of juggys attacks with ease, and sends him into another dimention.