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Originally posted by Space M ummy
No one said the surfer yet? That guy's base strength is easily class 100, and can be further amplified by the power cosmic. He's not a physical fighter so feats of pure strength are hard to come by, but I'd put him above gladiator but below thor.
I did.
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Originally posted by Horrificus
Dude, you are an idiot. You asked for examples of people that would be able to give a showing like Gladiator, using just their powers. I gave them to you.
Gravity and Magnetism are 2 of the strongest natural forces in the universe. If you need some schooling, I can give you a couple links.
And, I gave you a few feats, where these people are able to control the movement and velocity of gigantic objects with their powers, without even having to break a sweat.
You are just arguing because you are insane. You obviously don't understand what I am saying, and you are reacting negatively because it is hurting your little brain to have to do so much thinking.
Here ya go: Gladiator's strength feats are not telekenetic. Just because it has been stated that they are, means nothing. We will ignore that for you. Ok?
And the fact that Graviton, Magneto, Sue Storm and Xemu have all been able to effect huge quantities of matter with their powers, also means nothing. Just because Graviton has actually mimiced the powers of a White Dwarf star and a black hole, doesn't mean anything. After all, those 2 cosmic objects certainly can't hurt a planet. Ok?
Hey smart guy you want to continue to call names I can that game too ASSWIPE. But if you are capable of actually reading and understanding what your reading... Then you should go back and read what I actually said. I didn't say that The Gladiator didn't use telekentic powers to lift things... I said that it was a booster to his strength similar to a force field I.E. the way The Baxter building didn't crumble down upon him was because he using it to stop that from happening. His strength isn't 100% telekinetic if you actually think that it is I can't help you and niether can anyone else.
And yet again you've not given me an example of how Magneto, Graviton, Xemu, and Sue can destroy a planet with 1 blow... Because you said they could...Just like Gladiator did...
I'll await your schooling.
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Originally posted by Tony Stark
Hey smart guy you want to continue to call names I can that game too ASSWIPE. But if you are capable of actually reading and understanding what your reading... Then you should go back and read what I actually said. I didn't say that The Gladiator didn't use telekentic powers to lift things... I said that it was a booster to his strength similar to a force field I.E. the way The Baxter building didn't crumble down upon him was because he using it to stop that from happening. His strength isn't 100% telekinetic if you actually think that it is I can't help you and niether can anyone else.And yet again you've not given me an example of how Magneto, Graviton, Xemu, and Sue can destroy a planet with 1 blow... Because you said they could...Just like Gladiator did...
I'll await your schooling.
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I never said it was 100% telekentic. You jumped to conclusions from the very start. But, part of it is based on non-physicial power.
End of story. Whether it can break up a planet or not. My point was about the source of his power.
And, I am right. Period.
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Originally posted by Horrificus
I never said it was 100% telekentic. You jumped to conclusions from the very start. But, part of it is based on non-physicial power.
End of story. Whether it can break up a planet or not. My point was about the source of his power.
And, I am right. Period.
Thats what is aid from start... 😕
His telekentic powers is a BOOSTER to his actual strength.
An add on...
I'm right and you've changed you tune to match mine...
You said those other characters could do the same thing to a planet that Gladiator did with 1 blow destroying it...Are you now retracting that statement?
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Originally posted by Tony Stark
Thats what is aid from start... 😕His telekentic powers is a BOOSTER to his actual strength.
An add on...
I'm right and you've changed you tune to match mine...
You said those other characters could do the same thing to a planet that Gladiator did with 1 blow destroying it...Are you now retracting that statement?
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I haven't changed anything.
He doesn't belong on the list, because we have no idea how his powers breakdown. How much is strength, how much is head.
That's all.
That was my original point of view. You suckered me into a stupid discussion about other characters being able to do what Gladiator does. It doesn't matter.
My point stands. When I have time, I will dig up some feats of characters with energy or mental powers, who are able to do what Gladiator does, or more.
For right now, my stance is the same.
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Originally posted by Horrificus
I haven't changed anything.
He doesn't belong on the list, because we have no idea how his powers breakdown. How much is strength, how much is head.
That's all.
That was my original point of view. You suckered me into a stupid discussion about other characters being able to do what Gladiator does. It doesn't matter.
My point stands. When I have time, I will dig up some feats of characters with energy or mental powers, who are able to do what Gladiator does, or more.
For right now, my stance is the same.
Fair enough... I respect that.
BTW...
INFORMATION
Gladiator II
Real Name: Kallark
Occupation: Praetor (leader) of the elite corps of the Shi’ar Imperial Guard.
Identity: Publicly known to the citizens of the Shi’ar Empire.
Legal Status: Citizen of the Shi’ar Empire
Other Aliases: None
Place of Birth: Unrevealed planet in the Shi’ar Galaxy.
Marital Status: Unrevealed
Known Relatives: None
Base of Operations: Shi’ar Imperial Throneworld, Shi’ar Galaxy
Group Affiliation: Shi’ar Imperial Guard
First Appearance: X-MEN #107
History: Nothing has yet been revealed about the origin of Gladiator, leader within the Shi’ar Imperial Guard, an army of superhumanly powerful beings from planets within the Shi’ar Galaxy that enforces Shi’ar Imperial law. Gladiator leads the elite corps of the Imperial Guard that protects and carries out the personal directives of the majestor or majestrix (emperor or empress) of the entire Shi’ar Galaxy.
Gladiator’s first known encounter with Earth people came when he and other Guard member battled the X-Men on the order of the mad former Shi’ar Emperor D’ken. After D’ken was deposed, his sister Lilandra Neramani became majestrix, and hence the Imperial Guard and Gladiator obeyed her. When Lilandra made it known to the X-Men that she intended to end the potentialmenace she believed was posed to the universe by the first X-Man known as Pheonix, Lilandra’s lover, Professor Charles Xavier, demanded that the matter be resolved through a trial by combat. In this trial Gladiator and other Imperial Guard members were again pitted against the X-Men.
Later, Gladiator came to Earth and battled the Fantastic Four in the mistaken belief that they were alien Skrulls who had used their powers to alter their appearance.
Lilandra’s sister Deathbird staged a successful coup and became the new majestrix of the Shi’ar Empire. Despite Gladiator’s loyalty to Lilandra, who is now a hunted fugitive in her own empire, and despite his qualms about certain aspect of Deathbird’s rule, Gladiator continues to serve the Shi’ar Empire in his role as a praetor of the Imperial Guard.
More recently, Kallark was among the Imperial Guard confined to Earth. During this time, Kallark sought out the X-Men in an attempt to force them to battle the alien menace known as the Phalanx in his stead. Kallark and the Guard have since returned to active duty in Shi'ar space.
Height: 6 ft. 6 in.
Weight: 595 lbs.
Eyes: Blue
Hair: Dark Blue
Strength Level: Gladiator possesses Class 100 strength, enabling him to lift (press) over 100 tons. The uppermost limit of Gladiator’s strength is unknown. He has proved capable of uprooting the entire 35 floor original Baxter Building, and has boasted to be able to move planets. Possibly Gladiator employs technical means to boost his strength enough to lift (press) beyond what others in the Class 100 strength category can lift.
Known Superhuman Powers: Gladiator is the most powerful known member of the Imperial Guard. In addition to his extraordinary strength, he is virtually invulnerable, and has survived an explosion of nearly nova force uninjured. However, he is vulnerable to certain unspecified wavelengths of radiation.
Gladiator can fly at speeds rivaling those of starships, and can achieve faster than light speeds in hyperspace. He can survive unprotected in the vacuum of outer space, and apparently either does not need to breath or can survive for long periods of time (as when he flies through outer space) without breathing.
Gladiator can project intense heat, possibly infrared radiation, in beams from his eyes. This heat is said to reach temperatures comparable to those produced by stars.
Gladiator himself has claimed to be capable of moving planets and flying through the hearts of stars. He may have been indulging in hyperbole in saying this, for his powers have not been demonstrated to be that great.
Although Gladiator’s Class 100 strength and a large measure of his near-invulnerability are indeed physical traits, it has been theorized that he covertly employs Shi’ar technology to amplify these powers at times. The technology also enables him to perform other feats: for example, when he uprooted the original Baxter Building, Shi’ar devices prevented the building from crumbling under its own weight. Observing Gladiator’s actions. Reed Richards of the Fantastic Four theorized that Gladiator’s powers were in part psionic, but the theory that Gladiator uses technological aids now appears to be the correct one.
Susan Richards of the Fantastic Four once knocked Gladiator unconscious with her force field when he was momentarily in doubt about the effectiveness of his own powers. Reed Richards hypothesized that Gladiator’s vulnerability to the field was the result of a brief weakening of his will power, and hence of the psionic reinforcement of his resistance to injury. However, it is also possible that Gladiator’s vulnerability to the field was a delayed aftereffect of his earlier exposure to an unknown form of radiation that was apparently capable of killing him. INFORMATION
He is on the list and IMO at the top. (See: STRENGTH)
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Tanaraq, but nobody knows about him.
I do, I believe that people who are or can become living embodiments of gods are the strongest characters. They can call upon more power when needed, and it makes it seem as if there's no limit to there strength. These living pawns of gods are often time stronger than gods themselves.
I know Kurse has strong physical showings vs Thor, but so does Juggernaut. In the 8th day saga Juggernaut nearly killed Thor with a hug. After that he exerted so much physical force that he broke out of the bands of a demi god telepath called Beldom. In another instance in that comic Juggernaut got in a tug, and pull with Stonecutter. The strength exerted was so strong that the earth nearly crumbled under them, and was stated that "No" force outside of them could stop them.
Juggernaut nearly killing Thor, took him down faster than Mangog or Kurse. Here's a quote from Thor "I cannot help but wonder where in all the world is power enough to defeat the undefeatable"
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Juggernaut defeating 5 gods stronger than Thor
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I also agree with King Mungi, we shouldn't underestimate Sasquatch while powered by Tanaraq. I don't know the full extent of his power, but what I do know is that he's powered by a god thats older than the earth. This places him around or above sky father level.
Re: Marvels Strongest
I agree with you that Juggernaut (Classic, at least) is the strongest physical force that there is. Here's my list.
1. Juggernaut
2. Hulk
3. Gladiator
4. Thor.
5. Hercules
6. Namor
7. Colossus
8. Sasquatch
9. Iron Man
10. Hyperion
Originally posted by soujaboy09
I'm sorry if this thread has already been created, I havn't seen it.Ok, name your opinion of Marvels top 10 strongest physical forces. Now don't be biased, just name who you think are the strongest physical characters. Don't name Celestials and such, just heros, and villains.
Mine are
1. Juggernaut
2. Hulk
3. Thor
4. Hercules (Immortal)
5. Gladiator
6. Hyperion
7. Iron Man
8. Namor
9. Colossus
10. Sasquatch
Originally posted by soujaboy09
I do, I believe that people who are or can become living embodiments of gods are the strongest characters. They can call upon more power when needed, and it makes it seem as if there's no limit to there strength. These living pawns of gods are often time stronger than gods themselves.I know Kurse has strong physical showings vs Thor, but so does Juggernaut. In the 8th day saga Juggernaut nearly killed Thor with a hug. After that he exerted so much physical force that he broke out of the bands of a demi god telepath called Beldom. In another instance in that comic Juggernaut got in a tug, and pull with Stonecutter. The strength exerted was so strong that the earth nearly crumbled under them, and was stated that "No" force outside of them could stop them.
Juggernaut nearly killing Thor, took him down faster than Mangog or Kurse. Here's a quote from Thor "I cannot help but wonder where in all the world is power enough to defeat the undefeatable"
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Juggs20vs20Thor0.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Juggs20vs20Thor1.jpg
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http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Juggs20vs20Thor6.jpgJuggernaut defeating 5 gods stronger than Thor
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http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/jug8thdayp252sg.jpg
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http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/jug8thdayp363ld.jpgI also agree with King Mungi, we shouldn't underestimate Sasquatch while powered by Tanaraq. I don't know the full extent of his power, but what I do know is that he's powered by a god thats older than the earth. This places him around or above sky father level.
But to use The "NOT" Gladiator defense... Do we even count Juggernaut because we don't know where his own personal strength ends and the power of "Gem" starts...
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Originally posted by soujaboy09
Juggernaut defeating 5 gods stronger than Thorhttp://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/jug8thdayp195qg.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/jug8thdayp252sg.jpg
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http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/jug8thdayp363ld.jpgI also agree with King Mungi, we shouldn't underestimate Sasquatch while powered by Tanaraq. I don't know the full extent of his power, but what I do know is that he's powered by a god thats older than the earth. This places him around or above sky father level.
The exemplars are not gods. They are merely avatars.
Are they really all that much better from thor?
Tanaraq becomes the god on Earth, not just an avatar.
1. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Exilesv10572005puar-DCP15.jpg
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Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
The exemplars are not gods. They are merely avatars.Are they really all that much better from thor?
Not individually but as a team they'd beat him pretty easily.
As you can see from the scans, Thor is able to repeatedly deflect Juggernaut's punches, its only when Juggernaut is able to get him in a bear hug due to his much greater reach or Thor is distracted by civilians that Thor loses. What the Juggernaut does show is the ability to resist damage better than Thor.
Marvel has repeatedly shown that an undistracted Thor had no problem going toe to toe with the Hulk. Furthermore, Maestro himself said that Thor was the only one who could have stopped him although he may have just been boasting. The only heroic characters that have been shown to be Thor's equal in raw strength by fighting to a standstill are utterly enraged Hulk, Beta Ray Bill and immortal Hercules.
Yet Thor can exceed this strength level as in the big fight against Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet, only Thor is able to bring Thanos to his knee as the Silver Surfer commented that Thor is the most powerful amongs the heroes.
When Thor loses his mind or inhibitions, his strength begins to swell beyond this (or rather he gradually stops subconciously holding back) and he is able to smack the power gem out of Drax or the living daylights out of the Silver Surfer and Beta Ray Bill. Or when he has completely lost his fear of killing, he can kill both the Thing and Hulk at the same time, literally singlehandedly.
Of the bad guys, Thanos was able to keep up against the insane Thor with the Power Gem, showing that physically, Thanos is easily as strong or stronger than even an unbound Thor. Only Kurse and Mangog could be considered stronger as Thor has not been able to physically harm either. If non-living creatures are considered, the Destroyer gets the win. Only the destroyer has broken Thor's bones.
So we have:
Destroyer
Mangog
Kurse
Thanos
Thor
utterly enraged Hulk, immmortal Hercules, Beta Ray Bill
Originally posted by Tony Stark
But to use The "NOT" Gladiator defense... Do we even count Juggernaut because we don't know where his own personal strength ends and the power of "Gem" starts...😎
Juggernaut has the same strength with and without his Cyttorak power.
They even used to describe hin that way in his profile, but I don't see it a lot in the forums.
He had super strength and stuff, and then the gem gave him invulnerability, the forcefield the armor, etc.
That was why he was able to beat Hulk without any of the armor on.
He just used strength.
