Originally posted by Wesker
Shit...1- Hitler: "Let's attack Russia and declare war on the US!"
2- Marcus Aurelius: "Hey, Commodus... you can have my title when I'm gone."
3- Louis XVI: "I'll invite the representatives of the Third Estate to Versailles and ask them their grievances while we dine on golden plates!"
4- Charlemagne: "To my sons, I leave the entire empire. Let them divide is ah... equally. Yeah."
5- Japan: "Okay gentlemen... the target is Pearl Harbor..."
First of all good topic, seems like I should be dropping by more often
1- Now that was really a stupid idea, I was wondering has any force in modern warfare ever won an aggressive war with Russia?
2- Dunno if it was that stupid, should refresh my Roman History.
3- That's just low and dumb, but I wouldn't let this one win
4- I don't see how that is soo bad, sure it caused for the collaps of his kingdom, but don't you think that if he had given everything to one son, it might have resulted in sibling strife? (Best to have one kid in that context IMO).
5- Japan needed to take out Pearl Harbor ofr it's conquest of the pacific having any hopes of succes. Yes Pearl Harbor brought the americans into the war, but they would have gotten in the war anyhow. Maybe not with Japan, directly but I wonder if Japan would have declared war on the US, when the US eventually decleared war on Nazi Germany.
so I think 1. was your best option
Louis' decision to play stupid with the Third Estate after over a hundred years of the Bourbon royal family screwing the peasant class and being ridiculously rich pushed France into revolution AND social instability that persists to this day. It also paved the way for men like Robespierre and Napoleon to come to power, the latter's forays into Prussian territory left a deep-seated hatred of the French in German history and helped solidify the German petty states into one Empire, which in turn led to militarism and a fear of a French revolution, giving Kaiser Wilhelm II absolute power (Since Bismarck feared an "anarchy" such as what France had) who in turn capriciously led his people into WWI. This caused a tragic and vicious defeat that left scars on the German people and paved the way for the Nazi regime that in turn left scars on Western society.
So you see, all Louis had to do was not invite the Third Estate to Versailles and grant them the type of government they wanted, and it would have drastically effected the next two hundred and fifty years of social turmoil in Europe.
Originally posted by Wesker
Louis' decision to play stupid with the Third Estate after over a hundred years of the Bourbon royal family screwing the peasant class and being ridiculously rich pushed France into revolution AND social instability that persists to this day. It also paved the way for men like Robespierre and Napoleon to come to power, the latter's forays into Prussian territory left a deep-seated hatred of the French in German history and helped solidify the German petty states into one Empire, which in turn led to militarism and a fear of a French revolution, giving Kaiser Wilhelm II absolute power (Since Bismarck feared an "anarchy" such as what France had) who in turn capriciously led his people into WWI. This caused a tragic and vicious defeat that left scars on the German people and paved the way for the Nazi regime that in turn left scars on Western society.So you see, all Louis had to do was not invite the Third Estate to Versailles and grant them the type of government they wanted, and it would have drastically effected the next two hundred and fifty years of social turmoil in Europe.
I'm not sure I totally agree with you. But it's a nice theory
Originally posted by Wesker
Louis' decision to play stupid with the Third Estate after over a hundred years of the Bourbon royal family screwing the peasant class and being ridiculously rich pushed France into revolution AND social instability that persists to this day. It also paved the way for men like Robespierre and Napoleon to come to power, the latter's forays into Prussian territory left a deep-seated hatred of the French in German history and helped solidify the German petty states into one Empire, which in turn led to militarism and a fear of a French revolution, giving Kaiser Wilhelm II absolute power (Since Bismarck feared an "anarchy" such as what France had) who in turn capriciously led his people into WWI. This caused a tragic and vicious defeat that left scars on the German people and paved the way for the Nazi regime that in turn left scars on Western society.So you see, all Louis had to do was not invite the Third Estate to Versailles and grant them the type of government they wanted, and it would have drastically effected the next two hundred and fifty years of social turmoil in Europe.
When you think about it....Hitler's attack on Russian wasn't really stupid. See, he knew history...and he new Napoleon had suceed invading Russia. He knew once inside Russia he would have conquer the eastern front which was the most bloodiest of the war.
Now back in the good Old U.S the worst political move was Custer last stand on Battle of the Little Bighorn.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
When you think about it....Hitler's attack on Russian wasn't really stupid. See, he knew history...and he new Napoleon had suceed invading Russia. He knew once inside Russia he would have conquer the eastern front which was the most bloodiest of the war.Now back in the good Old U.S the worst political move was Custer last stand on Battle of the Little Bighorn.
The Bay of Pigs is often called 'the perfect failure'...I'd say this takes the cake for sheer political ineptitude.
If you want negative long reaching effects for humanity, the fall of rome stopped what otherwise could eventually of become a glorius world order far more advanced and peaceful than us as we are.
Originally posted by Great Vengeance
The Bay of Pigs is often called 'the perfect failure'...I'd say this takes the cake for sheer political ineptitude.If you want negative long reaching effects for humanity, the fall of rome stopped what otherwise could eventually of become a glorius world order far more advanced and peaceful than us as we are.
The perfect failure is much like the rest of history, written by the victors. Oh, the US didn't win? Now you understand why I said the "battle of Kadesh".
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
When you think about it....Hitler's attack on Russian wasn't really stupid. See, he knew history...and he new Napoleon had suceed invading Russia. He knew once inside Russia he would have conquer the eastern front which was the most bloodiest of the war.Now back in the good Old U.S the worst political move was Custer last stand on Battle of the Little Bighorn.
I have to agree their , when i was in school i made a rough estimate and custer had around 1/60th of his opponents forces.
The War On Terror-Hey instead of infiltrating and destroying terrorist groups from within in the time tested way (like we did to peace and civil rights groups in the sixties and are still doing now), let's engage them directly militarily along with anyone else who remotely seems like a terrorist as long as they aren't white and/or don't have business interests in the United States.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
When you think about it....Hitler's attack on Russian wasn't really stupid. See, he knew history...and he new Napoleon had suceed invading Russia. He knew once inside Russia he would have conquer the eastern front which was the most bloodiest of the war.
The idea itself was not that stupid, but the way of carrying it out sucked big time. I can explain it briefly and simplyfying.
Firstly, Hitler didn't have a main goal that would be the top priority which would get the main support of the army. Instead of setting a definitive goal, like reaching and capturing Moscow, his opinions changed all the time and that made organising the attack extremely difficult.
Secondly, he let his racial prejudice to step in between of him and the victory. During the first months of Operation Barbarossa many soldiers of the USSR surrendered and asked permissions to help German soldiers to overthrow Stalin. Hitler disregarded them and sent them to work in labour camps. Some historians estimate that out of 3 million Russians working in the labour camps perhaps 2 million would have helped Germany.
Thirdly, at first he accepted the plan made by Erich Marcks, who had created a great plan consisting of two main objectives: 1. Destroying the main weapon facilities of the USSR, these factories were located around Moscow, Leningrad and Ukraine. 2. Conquering Moscow. The big H and Germany's military management accepted the plan and regarded it magnificent. Later Hitler decided to carry out a worse plan and the results were explained already...
Fourthly, Stalin managed to turn his people against Hitler. That's what you get for not taking them along, Mister H. They fervently fought against the Nazis even though most of their officers sucked.
Fifthly, the Soviet Union had more resources, soldiers and possibilities to make more military equipment. Germany was simply outproduced.
Russia's advantage in resources was easy to see in the battle of Stalingrad as Germans were simply outlasted.