I Need Help . . . And A Lot of It

Originally posted by Punker69
All God ask is that you stick with him until the end. Look at Job. God took away everything from him and many times Job had chances to go a route that turned away from God. But he didn't. In the end God gave him double of everything that he had tooken away. Sometimes God puts us through trials to make us stronger and teach us things. Besides, they're not our children. They're his. He gives and he takes away.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
So, by your logic, the solution to the problem is for this kid to blame god's divine will for the death of his brother?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
God may have blessed Job with many more children, but this does not somehow replace the sons and daughters of Job that He killed, just as having another child does not replace a child who has died.

I dont know how Job felt. The Bible gives no indication of Jobs feelings. All it says it that "God blessed the later of Jobs days" which is good enough for me.

Well when you put one plus one together, Job was very devastated. And why would god let a righteous man suffer to that extent in the first place doesn't make since. As a competition between god and satan on who would Job be loyal/choose to obey?.....Creating a competition and tempting for loyalty is a human trait, not one that be of a god....God, in doing so, is "needing" the loyalty of Job. So, this god is flawed and is not complete and perfect in it's self.

Agreed. If God was all-good, all-mighty, and secure, he would not speak with the devil, all-evil, nor would he make deals with him to torment human beings. How you could see this story as good rather than bad is troubling.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Well when you put one plus one together, Job was very devastated. And why would god let a righteous man suffer to that extent in the first place doesn't make since. As a competition between god and satan on who would Job be loyal/choose to obey?.....Creating a competition and tempting for loyalty is a human trait, not one that be of a god....God, in doing so, is "needing" the loyalty of Job. So, this god is flawed and is not complete and perfect in it's self.

It wasn't a "competition". Satan didn't believe that Job truley loved and feared God. Satan told God that Job would curse him when all he had was tooken away. God knew Jobs heart and that what Satan proclaimed would never come to pass. Also God never let anything happen to Job that he couldn't take. There was many times he felt like giving up and many times he told that his pain was unbearable. But as we see in Job 5:25-27 God blesses the faithful. And all throughout the book of Job Job never cursed God. Not once! And for this he was found righteous in God's eyes and God restored him double than what he had before.

I think the story is beautiful. How everything Job had was tooken away but he still chose to serve God and in the end God restored him.

Why would God cause unneccessary suffering to a faithful and good follower just to prove the devil wrong?

I dont know. I know how it applies to my life. I think its an awesome story of how no matter what the Devil does he cant prevail when you have God on your side. And to stay faithful despite the hard times and God will restore you. Also the hard times are also part of Gods lessons for spiritual growth. Sometimes God lets bad things happen to us to strengthen our trust and dependence on him.

Originally posted by Punker69
It wasn't a "competition". Satan didn't believe that Job truley loved and feared God. Satan told God that Job would curse him when all he had was tooken away. God knew Jobs heart and that what Satan proclaimed would never come to pass. Also God never let anything happen to Job that he couldn't take. There was many times he felt like giving up and many times he told that his pain was unbearable. But as we see in Job 5:25-27 God blesses the faithful. And all throughout the book of Job Job never cursed God. Not once! And for this he was found righteous in God's eyes and God restored him double than what he had before.

I think the story is beautiful. How everything Job had was tooken away but he still chose to serve God and in the end God restored him.

No, God restoring what He had taken away from Job would be bringing his dead sons and daughters back to life. He simply replaced them. If I kill your parents, and replace them with four new parents, how would you feel? Do you think that would be fair?

I do not believe in God, but I believe that the universe controls all things.

It was the way of the universe for this to happen and you to not be able to stop it, though the reasons are unknown to us.

The universe to me is like The Force.
You can't blame yourself for what the universe does, hun 🙂

Myself, I wish there was more help out there for dealing with guilt of accidental occurrences. (This thread was one of the only things I could find on Google.)

Here's some scripture that's been helpful to me in the past:

Quote:
Isaiah 43:18
Forget the former things;
do not dwell on the past.

Jeremiah 29:11
"For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future."

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
No, God restoring what He had taken away from Job would be bringing his dead sons and daughters back to life. He simply replaced them. If I kill your parents, and replace them with four new parents, how would you feel? Do you think that would be fair?

Im sure if God was going to restore me and put his blessing upon my like that if would feel good. God knew what Job was feeling and what he had to do restore him. And after all the suffering Job endured im sure God didn't do it half-heartidly. In fact, we know by scripture he didn't do it half-heartidly.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
God has a reason for everything, even terrible things.

Sometimes it's hard for us to understand why he lets certain things happen.

I know for sure that you, your dad, and mother will not be the same.

How you change has yet to be seen.

Either way, it was not your fault, don't increase your pain by adding guilt that doesn't need to be there.

I will be praying for you. 🙂

Originally posted by Punker69
I dont know. I know how it applies to my life. I think its an awesome story of how no matter what the Devil does he cant prevail when you have God on your side. And to stay faithful despite the hard times and God will restore you. Also the hard times are also part of Gods lessons for spiritual growth. Sometimes God lets bad things happen to us to strengthen our trust and dependence on him.

See what happens when god's bored......bash

What ever you do, DON'T get god drunk.......lol

You first may want to consider overcoming your guilt with the help of a therapist. The act of discussing your feelings out loud may be an important step.

Indeed, they are far better trained for this than anyone here.

IMO, as someone in the field, this thread should've been closed after those posts.
But since it wasn't...

If the incident is significantly interfering with your ability to function in everyday life, then by all means, seek professional help.
1) Seek it not just for yourself. The whole family should be involved, as this affected the family. My guess is, this was more devastating to your parents, especially your dad.
2) Don't necessarily settle for the first therapist you go to, just like you wouldn't necessarily buy the first pair of shoes you try on. For therapy to be most effective, there should be a "proper fit" between therapist and client. The fit will feel right; you'll know it when it happens.

Good luck. Hold to hope, love and each other.

psychoboy...don't let this bantering get to you. religious debates won't help.

I think the idea of seeking therapy is a good one. Bad things happen in life. Therapy is the best way to get help. I think Mindship just offered good advice. This is a family problem...use them for support. Similar things happen to everyone. One of my friends was at a party and one of our friends got high and jumped off a three story balcony and died. She was there, what could she have done to help? If she had been paying attention, could she have done something? Perhaps I could have been there too keeping an eye on things. There are lots of what ifs. Its not about blame, sometimes you're just in the wrong place at the wrong time and you can't do anything to stop things. Its not your fault. Like any acciedent, there were many mistakes leading up to it. Its a terrible loss, but its not your fault and don't EVER make it out to be.

Originally posted by Punker69
Im sure if God was going to restore me and put his blessing upon my like that if would feel good. God knew what Job was feeling and what he had to do restore him. And after all the suffering Job endured im sure God didn't do it half-heartidly. In fact, we know by scripture he didn't do it half-heartidly.

That is not what I asked you. If I kill your parents, and replace them with four new parents, how would you feel?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
That is not what I asked you. If I kill your parents, and replace them with four new parents, how would you feel?

If Gods blessing was on my life then yes, I would feel good.

Originally posted by lord xyz
wait, god tortured a good person to prove the devil wrong? Isn't that a sin? How can you like that? You are sick.

🙄

You're not in a position to tell the God that knew no sin what sin is. Your trying to understand a story with a limited and closed mind. Just like everything else you try to understand on this board.

Originally posted by Punker69
If Gods blessing was on my life then yes, I would feel good.

That is not what I asked you. If I kill your parents, and replace them with four new parents, how would you feel? Do you think that would be fair?

No.

But Job wasn't under normal circumstances like I previously stated so I dont see what your trying to prove.