Serra Keto vs. TPM Obi-Wan Kenobi

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darthsith19 Arm-Wrestler

Most of the time they were separated, so not really.

And how did the battle between Obi-Wan and Xanatos go?
Yet that alone is more to his name than Serra has to hers.

So your saying Serra couldn't have beaten one of her peers? Even though she was Cin Drallig's best student?
Right. I lie. Of course, there isn't the slightest possibility that I don't have TPM on hand, is there.

Are you talking about the third time Obi-Wan gets kicked, like PurpleSaber mentioned? Cause I'm talking about the first kick.
Six seconds? Please.

I'm talking about the first kick at the beginning of the duel.
I don't really believe that; I distinctly remember him going off-screen. Time to rent TPM. . .

😱 you don't own TPM?!
And actually, it was Maul driving Qui-Gon back - and defending against Obi-Wan simultaneously - in the hangar. Qui-Gon later pushed him back alone, yeah, but so did Obi-Wan.

I'm talking about when it was Qui-Gon vs. Maul, one on one. And Obi-Wan nearly died when Maul kicked him off the catwalk. If he hadn't landed on the other catwalk (and he almost didn't) he'd have fallen to his death.
So, you really have no case.

And you do? All we know about Serra is that she's a Jedi Knight, Cin's best student and Vader killed her when he attacked the temple. So she could only be as strong as a Magnaguard or she could be as strong as General Grievous. It's impossible to tell.

Faunus Boss

You pretty much summed up the debate in that last point: it's impossible to tell. You have absolutely no tangible evidence on Serra - no quotes, no valid sources, nothing. All we know is that she was a student of Drallig who got owned by Vader.

And what the hell are you talking about with the ''And you do''? Do I have actual evidence regarding Obi-Wan? Obviously.

darthsith19 Arm-Wrestler

Originally posted by Faunus
And what the hell are you talking about with the ''And you do''? Do I have actual evidence regarding Obi-Wan? Obviously.

I mean you have no proof that he could beat Serra since for all we know Serra's as strong as a Magnaguard or she could be as strong as General Grievous.

Faunus Boss

And you have no proof that she's even as strong as Zett Jukassa. In fact, you have no proof at all. She may as well be an infinity character, like ''Redeemed Vader.'' I'd say we just drop the Keto threads. . .

darthsith19 Arm-Wrestler

And you have no proof that she's even as strong as Zett Jukassa.

Exactly, and you have no proof that she's not as strong as Yoda. That's why neither of us have proof.

Faunus Boss

Yoda? Is that why she was beaten down (supposedly) by Anakin? Please; at best she's on Vos's level, and that's being illogically optimistic. Canonically, she doesn't exist. And might I mention that it's not my job to quantify Serra's power; it's yours, considering you're the one supporting her in this fight.

darthsith19 Arm-Wrestler

Originally posted by Faunus
Yoda? Is that why she was beaten down (supposedly) by Anakin? Please; at best she's on Vos's level, and that's being illogically optimistic. Canonically, she doesn't exist. And might I mention that it's not my job to quantify Serra's power; it's yours, considering you're the one supporting her in this fight.

1. She could be beaten down by Anakin and still be as strong as Yoda. Obi-Wan managed to beat Maul. ROTJ Luke managed to beat Vader. She could possibly be as strong as Yoda and still be beaten down by Anakin.
2. Why does she not exist canonically?
3. Okay Faunus, but it's your job to peove that Obi-Wan's stronger than Serra and since you have to f*cking idea how strong she is your at as much fault of basing your answer off of speculation as I am.

tdtd Restricted
Originally posted by darthsith19
1. She could be beaten down by Anakin and still be as strong as Yoda. Obi-Wan managed to beat Maul. ROTJ Luke managed to beat Vader. She could possibly be as strong as Yoda and still be beaten down by Anakin.
2. Why does she not exist canonically?
3. Okay Faunus, but it's your job to peove that Obi-Wan's stronger than Serra and since you have to f*cking idea how strong she is your at as much fault of basing your answer off of speculation as I am.

No, she couldn't be as strong as Yoda. Obiwan beat Maul, so? You're going to say Maul is more powerful than Obiwan?

Faunus Boss
Originally posted by darthsith19
1. She could be beaten down by Anakin and still be as strong as Yoda. Obi-Wan managed to beat Maul. ROTJ Luke managed to beat Vader. She could possibly be as strong as Yoda and still be beaten down by Anakin.

Re-read that post and tell me how out of wack that sounds. Maul wasn't nearly as far above Obi-Wan as Yoda was with Anakin. And I doubt that Serra threw the fight to Anakin like Vader did with Luke.

2. Why does she not exist canonically?

What source - other than the one that has Anakin defeating Mace and Obi-Wan fighting clawed battle droids - even mentions Serra?

3. Okay Faunus, but it's your job to prove that Obi-Wan's stronger than Serra and since you have no f*cking idea how strong she is your at as much fault of basing your answer off of speculation as I am.

For starters, calm your ass down. Getting riled up over your own mistakes and putting them on me isn't the best way to go in a debate.

I've already quantified Obi-Wan's level of skill, and have reasonably approximated Serra's. You, on the other hand, would even dare to compare her to Yoda, in what has to be the most craptastical argument I've ever seen. Since you apparently can't accept that she's not some saber-god, nor can you actually create a reasonable base for your character's level (MagnaGuard <--> Yoda) I'll just resolve this by stating the most obvious point. She may as well be an infinity.

I'm done here. You people are going to be the death of me if you keep up this nonsense.

darthsith19 Arm-Wrestler


No, she couldn't be as strong as Yoda. Obiwan beat Maul, so? You're going to say Maul is more powerful than Obiwan?

He was more powerful, thus that's why Obi-Wan was only able to match Maul with lighsabers when he was using his anger. And since we know next to nothing about Serra, yes, she could be as strong as Yodam for all we know.
Re-read that post and tell me how out of wack that sounds. Maul wasn't nearly as far above Obi-Wan as Yoda was with Anakin. And I doubt that Serra threw the fight to Anakin like Vader did with Luke.

Maul to Obi-Wan is about the same as Yoda and Anakin. Yoda wasn't that much stronger above Anakin.
What source - other than the one that has Anakin defeating Mace and Obi-Wan fighting clawed battle droids - even mentions Serra?

The Brink. But people like Revan, Malak, Nihilus ect. were only in videogames so, according to you, they're not canon, huh?

For starters, calm your ass down. Getting riled up over your own mistakes and putting them on me isn't the best way to go in a debate.

Faunus, I only stated the obvious; neither of us (that includes you) have enough info on Serra to accurately determine the winner of this battle.
I've already quantified Obi-Wan's level of skill, and have reasonably approximated Serra's. You, on the other hand, would even dare to compare her to Yoda, in what has to be the most craptastical argument I've ever seen. Since you apparently can't accept that she's not some saber-god, nor can you actually create a reasonable base for your character's level (MagnaGuard <--> Yoda) I'll just resolve this by stating the most obvious point. She may as well be an infinity.

Yes, you have. And I have told you a FACT: That we don't know how strong Serra is and therfor she could be as strong as Yoda. Faunus, screw your head on right, I never said that Serra was as strong as Yoda, I said for all we know she could be. You have as little proof as I do, I already admitted several times that neither of us have sufficient proof since Serra is an unknown. I can't defend Serra since there's nothing to defend her with, you can't say Obi-Wan'd beat her since you don't know how strong Serra is anymore than I do.
I'm done here. You people are going to be the death of me if you keep up this nonsense.

I'm not the one saying "I have supplied sufficient proof that Obi-Wan would win even though we don't know how strong Serra is." if you don't know how strong Serra is then it's foolish to assume she'd lose.