Exar Kun vs 8 Vong Slayers and Vong Supreme Overlord

1. You're right but she doesn't, so we're going with that. You can't ask me to prove that she can't use it again, asking to prove a negative is a logical fallacy.
2. Nothing is said about the emerald lightning draining Luke. The only thing that drained him was when he created an illusion of the ship, so youre operating on pure speculation.
3. I didn't say Kun couldn't block the blast, I said we have more reason to believe that Luke can block Kun's blast than the other way around because of a lack of evidence.
4. Nobody said it would be an instakill for normal SW people but it would work on them in the sense that he could use it.
6. You're trying to prove a negative. She used it once, that's all we have..

The Vong were stripped of the force period, this is your normal Vong warrior, not your special case. The Exile case, if you use gameplay, is a fluke. That's why he was the only one of his kind.

And Illustrious, I say that because there is nothing that points to the fact that Kun is any better than Luke. I didn't necessarily say he's worse but yes, he's not more powerful than Luke because there's no evidence to suggest he is.

Originally posted by tdtd
1. You're right but she doesn't, so we're going with that. You can't ask me to prove that she can't use it again, asking to prove a negative is a logical fallacy.
2. Nothing is said about the emerald lightning draining Luke. The only thing that drained him was when he created an illusion of the ship, so youre operating on pure speculation.
3. I didn't say Kun couldn't block the blast, I said we have more reason to believe that Luke can block Kun's blast than the other way around because of a lack of evidence.
4. Nobody said it would be an instakill for normal SW people but it would work on them in the sense that he could use it.
6. You're trying to prove a negative. She used it once, that's all we have..

The Vong were stripped of the force period, this is your normal Vong warrior, not your special case. The Exile case, if you use gameplay, is a fluke. That's why he was the only one of his kind.

And Illustrious, I say that because there is nothing that points to the fact that Kun is any better than Luke. I didn't necessarily say he's worse but yes, he's not more powerful than Luke because there's no evidence to suggest he is.

That's a bullshit deduction. If you have no evidence, you can claim that we do not know if he is more powerful.

Saying he is not more powerful is a conclusion, you can not make a conclusion from absence of a premise.

That's what I meant actually but yea.. So back to square one...

Some people here are simply ignoring several post at it seems.

1)
Kun's amulet (as well as all other force powers) will most likely not work on the Vong directly as Faunus has stated on page 1 of this thread. He can do major damage to the enviroment except they are fighting on an YV ship. I know that Luke killed a Vong with a force attack but he had almost 5 years of time to study his enemies and various sources of information (Jacen, Vergere, Sekot) to figure out how to do that. Even if Kun is superior to NJO Luke I don't see him pulling a "force instakill" here.

2)
The slayers wear Vodun-crab armour and Amphistaffs (2-3 metre long bio-engineered serpents that could be used as whips, staffs and spray poison) which are both basically immune to lightsaber attacks. The reason Luke was able to kill them with his lightsaber (as far as I remember) was that both things were pre-weakened making them much less effective. And again Luke had knowledge about his enemies as stated above.

A normal slayer was able to defeat Kyp Durron due to that (not forgetting their impressive physical strength and their bio-engineered body implants and basical insta-healing abilty) and you have 8 of them here. Add Shimmra (2.4 metre killing machine) who gave NJO Luke some massive trouble.

I really don't see Exar taking that unless you have the slayers pre-weakened (in the state Luke, Jacen and Jaina fought them) or give Exar an enviroment that he can destuct on a great scale in order to kill the Vong.

Very good points Nai but I have to point out again, and not sure if this is what you were talking about, but Kun's amulet blast isn't an instakill.

Thing is, Luke never hacked the slayer's amphistaffs; he struck weak points in their armor, as did Jacen and Jaina. That's why, in the paragraph coming immediately after Luke's ''emerald lightning'' use, Jacen has to take several physical blows before the slayer leaves an opening at its shoulder - specifically, the underarm.

Originally posted by Faunus
Thing is, Luke never hacked the slayer's amphistaffs; he struck weak points in their armor, as did Jacen and Jaina. That's why, in the paragraph coming immediately after Luke's ''emerald lightning'' use, Jacen has to take several physical blows before the slayer leaves an opening at its shoulder - specifically, the underarm.

True. The point is that he doesn't know anything about the Vong. He will first try to use the force on them (most likely) and fail to do so, which isn't the best for the morale of a guy who deems himself to be godlike.

Then he will try to attack them with his lightsaber and he will again be surprised by their lightsaber resistant weapons / armor. At this point he can figure out where he has to hit them - while he has 8 slayers who can give a Jedi a run for his money and the Supreme Overlord (who gave NJO Luke trouble) hacking at him. Kun is good...but I doubt he's that good.

So unless he can gain an advantage by applying force techniques on the enviroment (drop the ceiling on them, throw things on them) or his amulet generates any form of physical energy to tear them apart I simply don't see him winning.

Unless of course he develops a technique specifically for the Vong, or one that requires enough energy.

tdtd, Nai pointed out that it wasn't due to energy that Luke was able to overpower the Vong, it was due to knowledge of the Vong that allowed Luke to invent a technique designed specifically against the Vong.

That would depend, on whether Kun would be wise enough to do so, and if i remember correctly the Vong are generally immune to the force particularly against mental instrusion, but not every physical aspect, there might be a chance that Kun's Freezing Sith Spell will have an effect here.

The Battle takes place in neutral ground where, neither Kun nor the Slayers/Overlord have an advantage

The question is, would Kun be wise enough to learn how to combat the Vong. Kun seems like a whiney more powerful Anakin Skywalker.

No, Kun is wise enough to not attack the Republic when he knew they weren't ready, he tried to stop Ulic, he wasn't an arrogrant Dark Lord, you might remember he only lost due to Ulic betraying him.

He's still almost as whiney as Anakin

Originally posted by tdtd
He's still almost as whiney as Anakin

Where the **** are you getting this bullshit?

Whoa calm down, all I'm saying is he would become irrational if he saw he wasn't as godlike as he thought, as NAI said. He's a very cocky, arrogant individual, like Anakin.. Calm down jeez.

Originally posted by tdtd
Whoa calm down, all I'm saying is he would become irrational if he saw he wasn't as godlike as he thought, as NAI said. He's a very cocky, arrogant individual, like Anakin.. Calm down jeez.

Arrogance is not being whiny, and even Nai's "theory" is bullshit. Kun's estimation of his abilities is high but, as we see here:

he's not delusional, especially to the point of thinking himself "godlike."

Quit pulling stuff out of your ass.

And Nai is not an abbrreviation for anything, stop capitalizing all the letters.

Kun would lose, and the teams are way unfair. Closed.