Originally posted by IKC
Only that Yoda was barely above the level of Sidious, politician slash closeted Sith Lord, right?Only that Ulic was a prodigy in his own right, the #2 of his greater era, and able to stalemate a very angry Jedi in lightsaber combat while blind to the Force, right?
Wow, he was a "prodigy". And Kun was "The most formidable student Vodo ever had". What is your point? What do you call this, hyperbole? Yea... And you keep referring to Ulic fighting with a saber without the force as if that somehow makes him better than Yoda...
Wow, he was a "prodigy".
That's pretty apparent when you've read the comics, even before he went to the Dark Side.
And Kun was "The most formidable student Vodo ever had". What is your point? What do you call this, hyperbole?
According to Vodo himself. Hyperbole is exaggeration. I cannot exaggerate something a person says if I'm quoting them directly and providing context.
Consult your dictionary before typing next time.
And you keep referring to Ulic fighting with a saber without the force as if that somehow makes him better than Yoda...
Because it does. His combat skills were on such a level that he was able to hold his own without the many advantages that access to the Force can bring him (greater speed, strength, precognition, etc.).
Ah ok so when I quote Jacen as saying "Luke looked like he was swinging 20 lightsabers at once", that's a hyperbole according to you, so when I throw that right back at you in the same context, it's NOT an exaggeration.... I see IKC.. So youre listing feats now, and how exactly does Ulic fighting without the force make him better than Yoda? Where does it show he had exceptional speed, and precognition and strength without the force? All I know is he barely stalemated Sylvar, who wasn't exactly powerful.
Originally posted by tdtd
Ah ok so when I quote Jacen as saying "Luke looked like he was swinging 20 lightsabers at once", that's a hyperbole according to you, so when I throw that right back at you in the same context, it's NOT an exaggeration.... I see IKC.. So youre listing feats now, and how exactly does Ulic fighting without the force make him better than Yoda? Where does it show he had exceptional speed, and precognition and strength without the force? All I know is he barely stalemated Sylvar, who wasn't exactly powerful.
Apparently you don't even know what hyperbole is, tdtd. If I say that Billy is the best student I have in the class, this isn't exaggeration or hyperbole. If I say Billy swings his bat like he has a thousand of them, or he leaps higher than a skyscraper, then that would be hyperbole.
Originally posted by tdtd
Ah ok so when I quote Jacen as saying "Luke looked like he was swinging 20 lightsabers at once", that's a hyperbole according to you, so when I throw that right back at you in the same context, it's NOT an exaggeration....
Didn't IKC just explain what "hyperbole" is?
Vodo made a factual statement about Kun, it's fact that Kun is Vodo's "most formidable student" - it's definitive. The quote you keep trying to refer to is not something you could say the same for, it's just an exaggeration of what it supposedly looks like.
Not to mention, it could be something that only Jacen and a few others think - if someone superior to them was there who's to say they couldn't keep up. Whereas everyone would be in agreement with Vodo's statement because it was made by Vodo himself, and he would know.
Originally posted by tdtd
I understand what an exaggeration is, but how is someone saying that "he looks like he's swinging 20 lightsabers" an exaggeration, if that's what he sees due to incredible speed.
Look at it as this: Vodo's statement was definitive, Jacen's was not. Other people may or may not think the same, who is to say they couldn't keep up if they were superior? Vodo's statement is not exaggerating anything, it's fact.
Originally posted by tdtd
Again it may be exaggeration or it may be what someone was actually seeing. How can you say that's an exaggeration?
It's hyperbole because the speaker, Jaina, would have NO CLUE about the situation. Does she know what it looks like for someone to swing a lot of lightsabers at once? Does she know what attacking with 20 blades would look like? No.
What she says is hyperbole, because she has no idea what she's talking about. It would be like you saying "that hurts like hell." You have no idea what hell feels like.
What Vodo said is definitive. Kun is his most formidable student. Do you think he says that to everyone? Do you think he wouldn't know how Kun stacks against everyone else?
Also, Jaina was making a ridiculous comparison, Vodo was making an objective comparison. Difference.
Originally posted by Captain REX
Ulic's using a lightsaber without the Force is remarkable, and speaks greatly for his lightsaber skill.After all, you don't need the Force to use a lightsaber. It just tends to help.
Actually, most people who would use a lightsaber without the force would likely hack their own limbs off.
Maybe if they tried wielding it like a Jedi, yes, they'd be screwed. But same could be applied to most weaponry: if you don't have proper training, don't try to use the damned thing.
Proper training with a lightsaber can get you up to snuff, but the Force tends to do the rest. Hence Ulic not having the Force being impressive, I suppose.