Wonderman vs. Hercules

Originally posted by jrodslam
Mortal Herc vs Hulk
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http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/hulk-hercules.html

Originally posted by Validus
What happens after that scan is cut off? Leaderslair.com counted that fight as a Hulk victory and said Hercules was nearly beaten to death.

http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/hulk-hercules.html

I dont know. I got it from the Herc respect thread. Olympian may have the rest of the scans.

wonderman vs hulk http://members.fortunecity.com/muscular2/VS_Hulk2.htm

I am a staunch advocate of experience.
I think that the worse thing that happens in comics, is when experience is ignored.
There is no way that a being with thousands or more years of experience, is going to lose to a guy that has only been around for the last 30 to 50 years. Even if the younger character has a little more power or abilities.
This is just the plain truth.
Logically, even if Wonderman has fought every day since he got his powers, Herc should still have thousands of more fights under his belt to draw experience from.
And in a lot of these fights, the stronger guy should not always be winning.
Hercules should be able to beat Wonderman. For now.

^ I seriously think that Marvel should give Hercules a make-over cause just having super strength and super durability doesn't cut it anymore. They should come up with someway of him having like Olympian energy blasts or something like that. He needs some kind of energy projection imo.

I think that some of these guys should be doing more with their strength.
Herc and Ben Grimm should be using some type of martial arts, or real fighting skills, or weapons.
They have the strength to be very dangerous to the powerhouses out there that rely on being able to muscle all their enemies.
They just need to do more than duke it out.
For instance, can you imagine if Captain America had class 80 strength and limited invulnerability, or just a tougher hide. And started using his shield for lethal effect as well as protecting him from cosmic class, and over class 100 enemies?
He would be unstoppable.

Originally posted by Horrificus
I think that some of these guys should be doing more with their strength.
Herc and Ben Grimm should be using some type of martial arts, or real fighting skills, or weapons.
They have the strength to be very dangerous to the powerhouses out there that rely on being able to muscle all their enemies.
They just need to do more than duke it out.
For instance, can you imagine if Captain America had class 80 strength and limited invulnerability, or just a tougher hide. And started using his shield for lethal effect as well as protecting him from cosmic class, and over class 100 enemies?
He would be unstoppable.

Good point, but I just think that since Thor and Hercules are from two God-like dimensions, I just think that Hercules could display a little more power. Marvel could make Hercules so much more powerful if they worked on him. He'd be much cooler with god-like abilities rather than being a cheap knock-off of the Hulk. I mean Hercules should be this god-like being that should be this huge powerhouse. Ya know what I mean?

Originally posted by batdude123
Good point, but I just think that since Thor and Hercules are from two God-like dimensions, I just think that Hercules could display a little more power. Marvel could make Hercules so much more powerful if they worked on him. He'd be much cooler with god-like abilities rather than being a cheap knock-off of the Hulk. I mean Hercules should be this god-like being that should be this huge powerhouse. Ya know what I mean?

I agree. I mean, he is the son of Zeus. But, yeah, even STan Lee once said that he thought Thor was the strongest of the Marvel Universe, because Thor was a god.
Now, Stan said that, but he was out of touch with just how many cosmically powerful beings were around now.
Still, when he was asked, his first instinct was to say the top guy was Thor, because Thor was a God. That may be over-simplifying things, but he has a point. A god should be at the top.

Yeah, so in that logic, Hercules should be at Thor's level.

Originally posted by batdude123
Yeah, so in that logic, Hercules should be at Thor's level.

Are we talking strength here?

Herc is Thor level. Mortal Herc may be weaker though.

I just think that Marvel writers passed up a cool opportunity to make Hercules this huge awesomely powerful god, but instead they go by cliche and make him super strong and super durable. Where's the fun in that? I could've done more with that character!

Originally posted by batdude123
I just think that Marvel writers passed up a cool opportunity to make Hercules this huge awesomely powerful god, but instead they go by cliche and make him super strong and super durable. Where's the fun in that? I could've done more with that character!

And he does have centuries of fighting experience, as well as adventures from the myths, and his indestructible mace.

Originally posted by JOE NUNEZ
Which Avenger takes it....

Is this a joke? It might as well be captain america vs hercules. Wonderman's not even in the same class.

Hercules should have never been as strong as Thor. The reason for me saying this is, because he is a demi or half, whereas Thor is referred to as being a full God... I really hate calling these guys Gods by the way. It borders on blasphemy.

I find myself often getting sick of these super duper DBZ like characters, with little to no substance, it's almost like an arms race to see how strong DC and Marvel can make their characters, and it's getting tired pretty fast. I mean Majestic pushes an entire solar system around, what was the point? I know that it had a plot, but it seemed that they could have went a whole other direction with him. You know what I mean? Get a huge story line going insted of taking the easy way out.

If this type of writiing doesn't stop for both companies they may find themselves painted into the corner.

Sorry to get side tracked, I don't think Hercules would beat Wonderman, and giving him eye blasts or super flight would take away from who Hercules was meant to be. A character that they should develop is Lobo. they should cut the clown act, and make him more like the Punisher with a hint of Wolverine.

Wonderman 8/10

Juggernauts forcefield not being a match for wonderman??? i think whoever stated that is a little out of his gord.

other than that, i dont see why wonderman COULDNT win. but i doubt he would win the majority.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
Is this a joke? It might as well be captain america vs hercules. Wonderman's not even in the same class.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
Is this a joke? It might as well be captain america vs hercules. Wonderman's not even in the same class.

Wonder Man, Herc, and Thor are all in the same league. Wonder Man has taken on a bunch of the Avengers before. All at the same time. Iron Man and Thor included. If you take their current versions, I'm, willing to bet WM has more than what it takes to to take Herc down.

Not in the same league? Pffftt...

Oh, and I'm pretty sure a battle between Juggs and Wonder Man could last a very long time as both have an endless supply of stamina. But I think Juggs would prevail in a slugfest. WM could take Juggs down if he used his noggin.

And if Juggs has his forcefield up, no way is Wonder Man getting through that. A freaking godblast didn't even faze him. To where a godblast has forced Galactus to flee for his life, and killed Durok The Demolisher in one blast.

Originally posted by Validus
What happens after that scan is cut off? Leaderslair.com counted that fight as a Hulk victory and said Hercules was nearly beaten to death.

http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/hulk-hercules.html

hulk gets in the couple shots he needs and just about kills herc. that version of herc was only about cl50. ben grim beats that version badly.

herc at his best wins this, though it's not out of the question that simon could sneak in a win or 2. and while they are in similar classes, herc is top of the class, simon nearer the bottom and thor right in the middle. in h2h and pure strength the strongest version of herc has VERY few equals. herc's only problem has ALWAYS been his one-dimensionality. no blasts, no godforce -- can't even FLY for cripe's sake! no uber invulnerability (though he IS quite durable). he's just a REALLY strong dude who is VERY good at h2h. uncomplicated but still one of my faves.

Originally posted by leonidas
hulk gets in the couple shots he needs and just about kills herc. that version of herc was only about cl50. ben grim beats that version badly.

herc at his best wins this, though it's not out of the question that simon could sneak in a win or 2. and while they are in similar classes, herc is top of the class, simon nearer the bottom and thor right in the middle. in h2h and pure strength the strongest version of herc has VERY few equals. herc's only problem has ALWAYS been his one-dimensionality. no blasts, no godforce -- can't even FLY for cripe's sake! no uber invulnerability (though he IS quite durable). he's just a REALLY strong dude who is VERY good at h2h. uncomplicated but still one of my faves.

I know, that's what I was talking about. He's really powerful but at the same time, too one-dimensional.