Originally posted by Utrigita
Cannot remember but it all happened when the destroyer was first created. A being that had a part ore the hole sum (don't know for sure) of every Pantheon on earth.
Well at any rate one of the things that makes the destroyer powerful is who inhabits it. A race of watchers is more powerful than a race of Asagradians, but maybe thats why the destroyer lasted longer than the uni-mind then.
Originally posted by Alfheim
I didnt forget to mention it. I didnt mention it because I thought it was irrelevant. If the Destroyer had been fighting one celestial it could have done even more damage therefore the celestial would have taken more time to regenerate but it couldnt because it had several other celestials to fight.You also forgetting it was a combined assault on the destroyer that put it down. It was not a one on one fight. If it was it may have been different.
No it was not. The destroyer was powered by Odin and all the Asagardians except. Thor. I think a whole race of watchers would be more powerful than Odin and the Asagardians because one Watcher seems to be on par with Odin.
Let's look at the fight:
http://img2.putfile.com/main/5/13616081621.jpg
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5475116
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5475117
^^ here destroyer lops off a celestial's arm. Now watch how long it takes to regrow it completely:
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5475118
The Celestial regrew the limb in two boxes, brand new as if nothing happened. Notice how the same Celestial casually deflected the disintigration from the Destroyer like it was nothing. One Celestial would have defeated the Destroyer by himself, it just would have taken longer.
If you read the full story of that arc, all of the skyfathers were involved in lending their strength to the Destroyer, in addition to the Eternals forming the uni-mind to help, in addition to all of the gods of Asgard except Thor adding into the mix as well. Destroyer powered by Odin alone would not be as big and powerful as he was in that arc.
On top of that, here is an picture stating that the Celestials were old even when the watchers were young, and shows that Uatu was unable to comprehend what they were doing:
http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=x51v112of1219vc8.jpg
http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=x51v112of1220vo1.jpg
Originally posted by Kutulu
One Celestial would have defeated the Destroyer by himself, it just would have taken longer.
Well that was a complete waste of time. Thats what I was trying to say and youre still forgetting the destroyer took shots from several celestials to bring it down. 🙄
Hell if you look carfeully I think theres even a panel were the destroyer ducks a blast shot at him from a celestial.
Furthermore the Unimind got destroyed because it took hits from two celestials and not one.
Originally posted by Kutulu
If you read the full story of that arc, all of the skyfathers were involved in lending their strength to the Destroyer, in addition to the Eternals forming the uni-mind to help, in addition to all of the gods of Asgard except Thor adding into the mix as well. Destroyer powered by Odin alone would not be as big and powerful as he was in that arc.On top of that, here is an picture stating that the Celestials were old even when the watchers were young, and shows that Uatu was unable to comprehend what they were doing:
http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=x51v112of1219vc8.jpg
http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=x51v112of1220vo1.jpg
Well heres the question. I think One watcher is about as powerful as a Sky father. How many skyfathers were there? Do the number of skyfathers equal the number of the whole race of watchers. Also all the other asargdians are much weaker than Odin or Thor for that matter and it doesnt seem to be alot of Asagardians. Asagard seems like the size of a small country.
The people involved in making the destroyer seem to much less than the race of Watchers and in total the watchers seem more powerful.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well that was a complete waste of time. Thats what I was trying to say and youre still forgetting the destroyer took shots from several celestials to bring it down. 🙄Hell if you look carfeully I think theres even a panel were the destroyer ducks a blast shot at him from a celestial.
Yes the destroyer ducked a blast, but he was reduced to slag in a few pages nonetheless. He faced the entire Celestial host because DUH! that's how they travel together. One single Celestial was able to deflect his disintigration beam no problem, and they can regenerate near instantaneously any injuries that the destroyer causes, so basically it would have lost against a single Celestial, just taken longer. Thanks for trying. 🙄
Well heres the question. I think One watcher is about as powerful as a Sky father. How many skyfathers were there? Do the number of skyfathers equal the number of the whole race of watchers. Also all the other asargdians are much weaker than Odin or Thor for that matter and it doesnt seem to be alot of Asagardians. Asagard seems like the size of a small country.The people involved in making the destroyer seem to much less than the race of Watchers and in total the watchers seem more powerful.
How do you figure a single Watcher is Skyfather level? When have you seen a single watcher destroy a galaxy on-panel in just a few panels?
In the fight with the Celestials, the Destroyer was fueled by at least 3 skyfathers, maybe more. The Hindu god, Zeus, and Odin, I remember off of the top of my head, I'll see if I can dig up a scan, but there were probably more than that.
Originally posted by Kutulu
Yes the destroyer ducked a blast, but he was reduced to slag in a few pages nonetheless. He faced the entire Celestial host because DUH! that's how they travel together. One single Celestial was able to deflect his disintigration beam no problem, and they can regenerate near instantaneously any injuries that the destroyer causes, so basically it would have lost against a single Celestial, just taken longer. Thanks for trying. 🙄
My point is that the fight would have obvoulsy lasted longer. It did well considering there were so many of them.
Against one celestial it would have still lost but I dont think it would be a total curbstomp.
Originally posted by Kutulu
How do you figure a single Watcher is Skyfather level? When have you seen a single watcher destroy a galaxy on-panel in just a few panels?
When was this? Didnt Thanos take on Odin in Asagard? I didnt think Thanos was more powerful than a watcher.
Originally posted by Kutulu
In the fight with the Celestials, the Destroyer was fueled by at least 3 skyfathers, maybe more. The Hindu god, Zeus, and Odin, I remember off of the top of my head, I'll see if I can dig up a scan, but there were probably more than that.
Look you're wasting your time arent there more Watchers than the people who helped make the destroyer?
Originally posted by Alfheim
My point is that the fight would have obvoulsy lasted longer. It did well considering there were so many of them.Against one celestial it would have still lost but I dont think it would be a total curbstomp.
True it would not be a curbstomp, but basically the Destroyer didn't have what it takes to even take down one Celestial by itself, and that was when it was fuelled by several pantheons worth of mystical energy. It just shows how much more powerful even a single Celestial is than a skyfather. Keep in mind that one Celestial individually is more powerful by a large amount than a cosmic cube. A single Celestial was able to hold an entire universe inside of it during one Fantastic Four arc.
To top it off, Celestials have killed watchers in the past, yet I have not heard of watchers killing off Celestials even once.
When was this? Didnt Thanos take on Odin in Asagard? I didnt think Thanos was more powerful than a watcher.
That could be argued. Thanos has better showings than Uatu for instance. In an alternate reality of What If (non-canon), Galactus feasted off of the energies of a Watcher and it was roughly equal to the living energies of an entire planet.
Look you're wasting your time arent there more Watchers than the people who helped make the destroyer?
True that there are more watchers than that, but there are far more Celestials than just the fourth host as well. Those were just the Celestials who were monitoring the Earth's development. There is said to be an entire Galaxy filled with Celestials. There are possibly thousands, maybe even millions, of Celestials within 616.
Originally posted by Kutulu
Let's look at the fight:
http://img2.putfile.com/main/5/13616081621.jpg
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5475116
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5475117
^^ here destroyer lops off a celestial's arm. Now watch how long it takes to regrow it completely:
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5475118
The Celestial regrew the limb in two boxes, brand new as if nothing happened. Notice how the same Celestial casually deflected the disintigration from the Destroyer like it was nothing. One Celestial would have defeated the Destroyer by himself, it just would have taken longer.If you read the full story of that arc, all of the skyfathers were involved in lending their strength to the Destroyer, in addition to the Eternals forming the uni-mind to help, in addition to all of the gods of Asgard except Thor adding into the mix as well. Destroyer powered by Odin alone would not be as big and powerful as he was in that arc.
On top of that, here is an picture stating that the Celestials were old even when the watchers were young, and shows that Uatu was unable to comprehend what they were doing:
http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=x51v112of1219vc8.jpg
http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=x51v112of1220vo1.jpg
Celestials are beings made out of pure energy aren't they? I thought their supposed armor was nothing but a shell.
Originally posted by llagrok
Celestials are beings made out of pure energy aren't they? I thought their supposed armor was nothing but a shell.
True, this is why the Celestial was able to recreate it's arm effortlessly. Their armor is just a holding pattern for the energy contained within, and they have shown in the past that they are more than 3 dimensional; they can exist in several places simultaneously, and can create machines like the Godstalker as servants. They can bend time and space around an attack, such as when the One Above All (Celestial, not the Marvel god) opened a whole in time and space to bypass Thor's godblast.
Here is a bio on the Godstalker, basically a Celestial 4 dimensional robot:
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/godalk.htm
Some scans on the Godstalker:
http://superherochat.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=99894
Originally posted by Kutulu
True that there are more watchers than that, but there are far more Celestials than just the fourth host as well. Those were just the Celestials who were monitoring the Earth's development. There is said to be an entire Galaxy filled with Celestials. There are possibly thousands, maybe even millions, of Celestials within 616.
Bloody marvel retcon. Watchers lose.
