Terry and Rock VS Ken and Sean

Originally posted by brainchild81
SNK wise he's been crapped on. Why is Choi on SVC Chaos and Andy ain't?

personally, I never did like Andy.. His costume is genertic ass hell, and he is too serious and monotone. Game play wise, he can be pretty good, I actually can kick ass with him. Andy will probably never get updated just becuase his charcter is just too dull, as well as his outfit.

I like ninjas

hmm.. I liked the realbout rendition of his outfit... when he started wearing the black gloves.. they could easily reinvent that if they cared...

I doodled terry on artpad http://artpad.art.com/?ixcpdp5ylrs
(hmm.. I think artpad is having problems.. it may have not gone through 🙁 )

I couldn't see it. You talking about these gloves?

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
to me he's at least a half or full tier above ken...the way I see things

LOOOOOOLL 😆

then you don't know enough about Ken!!

And 1 other thing I want to mention is that Ken has WON from Ryu in Street Fighter 3 ( not second impact or 3s )

😛

Ken rivals to Iori and Terry
Ryu rivals to Kyo and Terry

done.... is complete bullshit what youre saying about Terry a half or a full tier above Ken..

but OK it is YOUR opinion

Ken does have @ the very least 1 win against Ryu. Even though I don't hate Terry anymore, I really can't imagine him doing more than giving Ryu(or Ken) a rough time. I honestly think Terry's reached a plateau and has pretty much maxed himself out & reached his full potential. That's probably why he hasn't won much since the 90s. I don't think he can beat people like Ken & Ryu. He'd beat up damn near everybody underneath that level though. Ken on the other hand is far from his full potential because he doesn't train that seriously. He's a good as he now merely because he's what we call a "natural" like Kyo & Rock. Kyo's flames give him advantages over more experienced people. Rock, despite his age, has shown himself to be @ least on Terry's level and he'll only get better w/time. He's a natural because he wasn't taught Geese's moves but he somehow still knows 'em.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Ken does have @ the very least 1 win against Ryu. Even though I don't hate Terry anymore, I really can't imagine him doing more than giving Ryu(or Ken) a rough time. I honestly think Terry's reached a plateau and has pretty much maxed himself out & reached his full potential. That's probably why he hasn't won much since the 90s. I don't think he can beat people like Ken & Ryu. He'd beat up damn near everybody underneath that level though. Ken on the other hand is far from his full potential because he doesn't train that seriously. He's a good as he now merely because he's what we call a "natural" like Kyo & Rock. Kyo's flames give him advantages over more experienced people. Rock, despite his age, has shown himself to be @ least on Terry's level and he'll only get better w/time. He's a natural because he wasn't taught Geese's moves but he somehow still knows 'em.

Damn I dont want to go off on topic because I respect your opinion but I am sorry I have to disagree a little. Terry I believe has not reached his full potential in my opinion. I really believe he can give Ryu and Especially Ken a serious time(and yes I think he could beat them) and I think he will give them a better challenge than Kyo. True Kyo has an advantage being that he was born being able to weild flames, but his martial arts skills are nothing compared to Ryu, Terry and Ken.

As well SNK never stated that Kyo officialy defeated Terry Bogard though I have a manga of KOF 94 were Terry beats Kyo....The story was the Japan team did win but that happened since they deafeated the womens team...Fatal Fury and AOF were a stalemate.

I am not sure Rock being on Terry's level now...well since the storyline in Garou is a decade after The FF timeline. Damn... anyways back to the topic.

in my opnion ken is probaly as strong as terry ,if they fought it would probaly result in a stalemate .The question is sean and rock .Rock is almost as strong as terry , and sean is not so close to kens level .In terms of teamwork both of them are pretty goog since they are master and student, but since sean knows ansatsuken and rock knows geese and terry style i could say ken and sean have a small advantage in teamwork.In the end I think it woud be a stalemate .

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Damn I dont want to go off on topic because I respect your opinion but I am sorry I have to disagree a little. Terry I believe has not reached his full potential in my opinion. I really believe he can give Ryu and Especially Ken a serious time(and yes I think he could beat them) and I think he will give them a better challenge than Kyo. True Kyo has an advantage being that he was born being able to weild flames, but his martial arts skills are nothing compared to Ryu, Terry and Ken.

As well SNK never stated that Kyo officialy defeated Terry Bogard though I have a manga of KOF 94 were Terry beats Kyo....The story was the Japan team did win but that happened since they deafeated the womens team...Fatal Fury and AOF were a stalemate.

I am not sure Rock being on Terry's level now...well since the storyline in Garou is a decade after The FF timeline. Damn... anyways back to the topic.

didnt you guys say that 1 win against ryu was because ryu was distracted about akuma wanting to teach him? so how does beating up someone distracted count?

To me.. terry vs ken is like a serious workout for terry.. but that terry vs ryu is when it gets serious... I'm going by the garou terry naturally, since its most recent.. which is strange because terry seems to have a newfound liveliness in garou (through rock maybe?)... ultimately.. I dont see SNK updating him gameplay nor storywise... didnt garou come out like 2001'ish?.. I remember it being one of a dying dreamcast's "must buy" titles

and yes I meant that outfit of andy's... that can easily be updated if the art department actually gave a damn... and plz god dont let falcoon touch it... 😘

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
didnt you guys say that 1 win against ryu was because ryu was distracted about akuma wanting to teach him? so how does beating up someone distracted count?

To me.. terry vs ken is like a serious workout for terry.. but that terry vs ryu is when it gets serious... I'm going by the garou terry naturally, since its most recent.. which is strange because terry seems to have a newfound liveliness in garou (through rock maybe?)... ultimately.. I dont see SNK updating him gameplay nor storywise... didnt garou come out like 2001'ish?.. I remember it being one of a dying dreamcast's "must buy" titles

and yes I meant that outfit of andy's... that can easily be updated if the art department actually gave a damn... and plz god dont let falcoon touch it... 😘

Actually I think SNK does a great job in updating Terry. Terry was first able to do a Buster wolf in 98, with Garou. In 2002 he was given rising force ( the original version of rock howards shining knuckle). In 2003 he was finally given the buster wolf for the first time in KOF. Also in 2003 it seems they final gave him the move that he used to defeat Mars (in my opinion), Power Stream. Then in SVC chaos they gave added the Buster wolf to Terry's arsenal, plus they made the triple power geyser executeable with a a power level of one. Not to mention in SVc they gave him the Rising beat (his own neo deadly rave). If you go to KOF 10th anniversary site( http://www.kof10th.com ) they talk about how much time they devoted to Terry in the KOF series. I think SNK has updated Terry pretty good.

Originally posted by 2D_MASTER
Also in 2003 it seems they final gave him the move that he used to defeat Mars (in my opinion), Power Stream. If you go to KOF 10th anniversary site( http://www.kof10th.com ) they talk about how much time they devoted to Terry in the KOF series. I think SNK has updated Terry pretty good.

drool now I want 2k3 even more.. 🙁 ...

I guess its not very KoF'ish of me.. but I'd like to see revisions of burning knuckle, and crack-shoot (maybe even rising tackle).. in every kof he uses the exact same amount of force to do those particular moves.. and maybe a beam power wave 😮 like in the anime 😱

isnt it wierd how they're talking about KoF 10th anniversary in 2005/2006.. when their first KoF title was 94? 🤨

its true they did update him movelist wise.. mostly what I mean is that nothing major happens in his life anymore (lastly being the apprenticeship of rock)

Originally posted by brainchild81
Good point about the MOTW timeline. But it's weird though because Rock's in KOF:MI and the KOF:Another Day Anime. I think they're gonna disregard the whole "near future" thing.

Playmore messes up ALOT with this kind of stuff.

Ken has won in sf alpha 1 when ryu had a big mouth and was proud that he defeated sagat!!

AND he has won in street fighter 3... you can also see the ending... Ken wants to give ryu a lift after the battle but ryu wants to walk....

it is now

2-3 for ryu

ken lost from ryu in street fighter 3 third strike

Originally posted by P-Geyser
The only two matches that Terry did not lose for a dumbass reasons is when he fought Ryo and K". Ofcourse the HK baised writers had Terry lose but Terry fought K' and Ryo the way he would have. He gave Ryo and K' a hard time.

so if he gave both a hard time.. he would have defeated ryo if it were 1 on 1..

Read the two matches thing SaT. Two fights, not 2 on 1. Unless he fought them together 2x

he does it one after the other right?.. meaning he loses some energy on one and has to progress to the next.. or did he rest in between?

This is the way I see it:

Ken > Terry - exhausted Ken
Rock > Sean - fresh Rock
Rock > Ken - exhausted Rock

That's the same way I see it. Sean is the weak link and he causes his team to lose by getting his @$$ beat so easily

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
he does it one after the other right?.. meaning he loses some energy on one and has to progress to the next.. or did he rest in between?