Anakin Skywalker (Obsession) vs. General Grievous (ROTS)

IMO this should be close. In Obsession, which takes place five months before ROTS, Anakin took on Durge and won, though not before taking a serious beating himself. I have no doubt in my mind that ROTS Anakin could take Grievous. Obsession Anakin isn't that far behind ROTS Anakin, though, him vs. Greivous would be close. I'll give it to Grievous, though, cause Grievous is stronger than Durge, who nearly killed Anakin.

Ok.

Certain circumstances led to Anakins difficulty in defeating Durge... mainly being his enemies defenses. Grievous does not possess that form of defence. Anakin DID defeat Dooku... Dooku was far superiour a duelist than Grievous, so I would say Anakin takes this victory home. The difference between Anakin's skill in Obsession and ROTS was never that great. I for one am not aware of any great revelations in Anakin's dueling style between the two periods.

Anakin wins this, though he wont take it easily. Other then Obi-Wan, Yoda, Windu and Anakin I think GG would kill most any other Jedi. And since Anakin form tries to physically overpower the opponent, I think he'd have a harder time with GG then Kenobi, because Anakin isnt going to physically overpower GG by any means. Where Kenobi's style works perfectly against people trying to break your defence through power, thats why he pWned GG. I think that Kenobi was the best suited of ALL the Jedi Masters to kill GG, even more so then Yoda or Windu, simply because his mastery of Form III mirrored GG's style perfectly.

So though Anakin wins, he wins with a good fight. There is also the issue of Anakin having the force, and being quite powerful with it. And we saw what a simple force push (by someone somewhat near Anakin's level of power) did to GG, so Anakin has the advantage of the force as well.

Luminara would probably stand a chance as well as Cin Drallig.

If RotS Anakin would be able to pwn Grievous, I'd say Obsession Anakin would be able to at least defeat him.

Anakin DID defeat Dooku... Dooku was far superiour a duelist than Grievous, so I would say Anakin takes this victory home.

The difference between Anakin's skill in Obsession and ROTS was never that great.

((The_Anomaly)), we disagree for once, but at least you think it'd be close.

Luminara would probably stand a chance as well as Cin Drallig.

And Dooku was still a much better duelist than Anakin, so that point is null.... but still, the conclusion is correct. Anakin wins.

Well anakin did push Dooku's lightsaber into back into his shoulder. He soloed, Dooku without Obi Wan, and I am reluctant to say that Dooku wasn't giving his all.

You're right, he probably wasn't.

Not according to Lucas

I think it'd be silly to think that a verified Form II master lost against a twenty some year old Form V user from anything other than being careless or not taking the fight seriously. If he HAD been taking the fight seriously, he would have force choked Anakin, since Obi-Wan wasn't a threat to his fighting style. Also, he would have used force lightning like it was his job. He didn't. Hence, he wasn't going balls to the wall against either of them.

And again:

Does this appear to be someone who would have trouble with a mere boy if giving his all? Sounds like either Lucas is being taken out of context or he's trying to fluff up Anakin's feat more than it really was presented.

As far as the EU goes, Dooku was ordered to lose as of LOE. And only in one source is that contradicted, and that's the ROTS Novelization. However, one must consider that the ROTS Novelization has many inconsitancies with the movies and previous concepts already established in EU (eg, Kit becoming an ornament, Obi-Wan doging 1000 blaster bolts, Sidious being the uberest darkest sithest mostest powerefulest sithiest lordiest sith lord ever, etc.).

It's N-Canon as far as I'm concerned. And it's not hard to believe Dooku DID fake the fight.

The movies are unclear about Anakin >=< Dooku... but even there it's logical to assume Dooku toned it down a little and just slipped up.

And I believe Lucas commentated on Dooku not knowing Sidious' plans of turning Anakin. That's it. Hell (I hate to bring this source up), but in the ROTS novel (or was it LOE?), Dooku wanted Anakin to join *him*(IIRC). Notice how he was goading him throughout the entire fight...

And plus Dooku himself would give Sidious hell, if not even defeat him. I doubt Anakin was the most powerful being in the galaxy, save Yoda, at this point.

Lucas tends to try to be ambiguous so people can make their own answers for things. Lately, the focus on the "correct" answer has led to a lot of problems with determining this for this subforum.

Honestly, it could have just been Dooku having a bad day.

The only real purpose for elaborating that scene at all is for us at the versus forum, otherwise it's a pretty moot topic.

Agreed. Anakin won, it perpetuates the prequel and validifies this "Chosen One" BS, therefore it is okay.

Originally posted by Wesker
I think it'd be silly to think that a verified Form II master lost against a twenty some year old Form V user from anything other than being careless or not taking the fight seriously. If he HAD been taking the fight seriously, he would have force choked Anakin, since Obi-Wan wasn't a threat to his fighting style. Also, he would have used force lightning like it was his job. He didn't. Hence, he wasn't going balls to the wall against either of them.

And again:

Does this appear to be someone who would have trouble with a mere boy if giving his all? Sounds like either Lucas is being taken out of context or he's trying to fluff up Anakin's feat more than it really was presented.

Hey Wesker, wern't you the one who created the make-fun-of-Glentract for saying the movies are more canon than Lucas thread? And now your taking what happened in the first 1/2 of the Dooku vs. Obi-Wan and Anakin duel as more official than Lucas? After all the shit you gave Glentract?

Originally posted by darthsith19
Hey Wesker, wern't you the one who created the make-fun-of-Glentract for saying the movies are more canon than Lucas thread? And now your taking what happened in the first 1/2 of the Dooku vs. Obi-Wan and Anakin duel as more official than Lucas? After all the shit you gave Glentract?

No, I'm telling you that from where I'm standing, this hearsay doesn't wash. I have the ROTS DVD finally, so I intend to fully review the fight again AND finally hear the comment with my own ears. As it stands, it sounds like bullshit, looks like bullshit...

Hm, must be bullshit.

If Obi-Wan could handle Grievous with little difficulty in ROTS, I daresay Anakin would smash the bastard.

I understand that not alot of people like Anakin, and thats fine, everyone has their own opinions and the rights to them. But the fact is, and i sincerely don't mean this in an argumentative way, Anakin IS the chosen one, and meant to be more powerful than almost anyone. I know that when he gets burnt up, he hasnt reached that point yet, but he would have. I think the Dooku fight was just a poor example of both fighter's power. They didn't want Dooku to look like a slouch since he was a badass, but they still had to convey how powerful Anakin truly was at that point. I think they got some things mixed up in there. And I may be wrong, but wasn't LOE written after ROTS? If so, that gives that particular author the freedom to play with the story as he sees fit, within reason of course, hence why its not canon.

I think that OB1 getting tossed aside was sorta symbolic with what Anakin had been saying all along, and thats that OB1 was holding him back. Being as Anakin did nothing impressive while OB1 was by his side, but when he was out of the way, and he had the opportunity to give in to some of his anger, he couldn't be stopped. Being as GL said Dooku thought he was just going to fight him, doesn't give any indication that Dooku knew to lose or go easy on him. But i will also say that it leaves room for speculation, to suspect that he may have been.

I think they made Anakin win seemingly "easy" just to demonstrate his raw power, but did i tin a way inconsistent of previous trends. Never before have we seen him demonstrate a skill level of that magnitude. And that could very well also have been why they did it, to show his immense growth since we last saw him. I just don't see the benefit to the Emperor of telling Dooku to lose or hold back if he wants to see where Anakin truly is power wise. He even told GG that his new apprentice was more powerful (via hologram).

I think Anakin would take this with moderate difficulty. I think he would be forced to revise his game plan seeing as he cant match physical strength with GG, so it would result in him having to use his mind to ultimately destroy him. Which I think Anakin is smarter than people give him credit for. He obviously doesn't always show it, but I think he's extremely intelligent given his abilities as a young boy. So if Anakin was calm and thinking clearly, he would take it, and I see no reason why he would feel flustered.