Originally posted by Utrigita
He wasn't yet Nova said in the story that Galactus hadn't eaten recently and that she had no idea when he was going to require additional energy.
When was this? I don't recall. Secondly, Galactus hasn't eaten doesn't mean he is hungry. I think this is where most fans are in disagreement. It's like any comment made where Galactus hasn't eaten = hungry. Galactus just ate = well fed Galactus. Most of the time Galactus is at his normal level, neither hungry nor well fed. Galactus during that story was in no way hungry or weakened. Even when his ship was destroyed, he had enough power to reconstitute himself and his passengers from death along with his ship. He wasn't weakened in any state at all; their fight was wrecking havoc to Aggamotto's dimension along with the neighboring dimensions. This is by far one of Galactus' best combat feat, above his fights with Tenebrous and Tyrant. Only his fight with Mephisto is close, even then it wasn't wrecking other dimensions.
Also, Shuma Gorath takes this. SG was above Mephisto and Satanish. His fight was wrecking other dimensions, including Hellstorm's domain. Galactus was stalemating Mephisto and Agamotto in their fight. SG is above both; I see him beating Galactus.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
When was this? I don't recall. Secondly, Galactus hasn't eaten doesn't mean he is hungry. I think this is where most fans are in disagreement. It's like any comment made where Galactus hasn't eaten = hungry. Galactus just ate = well fed Galactus. Most of the time Galactus is at his normal level, neither hungry nor well fed. Galactus during that story was in no way hungry or weakened. Even when his ship was destroyed, he had enough power to reconstitute himself and his passengers from death along with his ship. He wasn't weakened in any state at all; their fight was wrecking havoc to Aggamotto's dimension along with the neighboring dimensions. This is by far one of Galactus' best combat feat, above his fights with Tenebrous and Tyrant. Only his fight with Mephisto is close, even then it wasn't wrecking other dimensions.Also, Shuma Gorath takes this. SG was above Mephisto and Satanish. His fight was wrecking other dimensions, including Hellstorm's domain. Galactus was stalemating Mephisto and Agamotto in their fight. SG is above both; I see him beating Galactus.
IIRC you posted the scan concerning it, last time someone asked.
And I'm merely pointing out that Galactus energy level in the act is a largely unknown factor, because Nova is incapable of giving us a estimate on when he last devoured a planet. I'm then pointing out that Galactus obviously wasn't operating at a "I just devoured a planet level" Nova's statement taken into consideration, to suggest anything beyond that would be unsupported.
Nova's statement was just a warning to Strange telling him that although Galactus isn't hungry if he does grow hungry he would have to devour earth.
As for the fight
Agamotto was definitely doing something that was considered beneath any of the Vishanti when he decided to physically confront Galactus. In that storyline they inferred that together they were above him. So if Galactus was having a hard time with just one of them and failing to kill him.
Shuma would be on a completely different level of hard for Galactus to try and kill.
All this talk of him being hungry or not is besides the point.
Show me who Gorath has fought that was in the same league as the heavy hitters Galactus has gone up against and then we'll talk. Off the top of my head Gorath has NEVER faced another Demon Lord, Cosmic, or Abstract in a fight, ever.
Galactus has gone up against the Inbetweener, the Galactus Engine from the Cancerverse (that Celestials and other Cosmics ran from leaving him alone against it), Mephisto in his realm, Agamotto in his realm, humbled and then devoured ALL the Elders of the universe, etc..
On panel Galactus has tped an entire galaxy, destroyed an entire galaxy, and devours planets/stars as snacks.
Originally posted by Utrigita
IIRC you posted the scan concerning it, last time someone asked.And I'm merely pointing out that Galactus energy level in the act is a largely unknown factor, because Nova is incapable of giving us a estimate on when he last devoured a planet. I'm then pointing out that Galactus obviously wasn't operating at a "I just devoured a planet level" Nova's statement taken into consideration, to suggest anything beyond that would be unsupported.
What's I just devoured a planet level? Would you like to give an estimate? Because under starving conditions, Galactus was wrecking 3 solar systems. Is their ever been a well fed Galactus that fought afterwards so we can use as a measure? If he's well fed, then Galactus would be above his normal levels. Most of then time Galactus isn't going around well fed, that for Galactus is like an amp. It's like saying Superman didn't get a sun dip so he must be weak.
Originally posted by zopzop
All this talk of him being hungry or not is besides the point.Show me who Gorath has fought that was in the same league as the heavy hitters Galactus has gone up against and then we'll talk. Off the top of my head Gorath has NEVER faced another Demon Lord, Cosmic, or Abstract in a fight, ever.
Galactus has gone up against the Inbetweener, the Galactus Engine from the Cancerverse (that Celestials and other Cosmics ran from leaving him alone against it), Mephisto in his realm, Agamotto in his realm, humbled and then devoured ALL the Elders of the universe, etc..
On panel Galactus has tped an entire galaxy, destroyed an entire galaxy, and devours planets/stars as snacks.
Where does it say the others ran? Because the book couldn't fit in the others in that close up panel it means they ran? Please. He didn't do anything to the Galactus Engine. And what did the GE do really? The IB that was getting owned by Strange? The IB got his butt handled by Galactus. Galactus could only draw stalemates against Agamotto and Mephisto. Arioch is a demon and so is Nightmare. Both was subordinates of SG. Even a disciple of Set invoking his name was getting stomped by Shuma Gorath.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Where does it say the others ran? Because the book couldn't fit in the others in that close up panel it means they ran? Please. He didn't do anything to the Galactus Engine. And what did the GE do really? The IB that was getting owned by Strange? The IB got his butt handled by Galactus. Galactus could only draw stalemates against Agamotto and Mephisto. Arioch is a demon and so is Nightmare. Both was subordinates of SG. Even a disciple of Set invoking his name was getting stomped by Shuma Gorath.
The others were fighting it for a while then it just shows Galactus agaisnt it solo. Surfer mentions if Galactus falls, that's it.
That Strange was stalemating the Living Tribunal and doing other crap that should be beyond his paygrade so what's your point?
Arioch is a demon with ZERO, ZILTCH, NADA on panel feats or victories. Nightmare has been put in a full nelson by Strange.
What disciple of Set are you referring to and what issue did this take place?
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
What's I just devoured a planet level? Would you like to give an estimate? Because under starving conditions, Galactus was wrecking 3 solar systems. Is their ever been a well fed Galactus that fought afterwards so we can use as a measure? If he's well fed, then Galactus would be above his normal levels. Most of then time Galactus isn't going around well fed, that for Galactus is like an amp. It's like saying Superman didn't get a sun dip so he must be weak.
You would find that it's a Galaxy he swept clean but that's beside the point since your exaggerating. We have no real idea on how different a Galactus on a fed level operate in comparison to a hungry Galactus, as you are perfectly well aware of (even though a Doom with the power of Galactus was capable of battling Pre Retcon Beyonder for a extended amount of time, so we have some idea on that powerlevel, but then again Reed said that Taa II was possibly the greatest energy source in the universe). The reason people in generel, as I see, choose a Fed Galactus is because then the argument that Galactus will depleet himself of energy relatively quickly in a fight is obsolete. That and the general idea that Galactus powerlevel rises as the feeds, as shown in the Pre Retcon Beyonder case.
Originally posted by SasuOna
He didn't summon them he was using their powers maybe you should read that fight again.
Chaos and Order don't need to intervene or even if they had to like your saying they would have done a lot earlier in that storyline considering the context of what they were fighting over.As for this fight
Galactus was well fed against agamotto by himself in his realm and still couldn't kill him.
Shuma>>>>>>>The Vishanti as a whole by a lot
To kill Shuma you would have to technically become what he is and Galactus really isn't up to that.
Originally posted by King Kandy
How about you post the next two pages, where he describes WHY they helped him...
This never happened and I'm starting to wonder if you even read the issue now.
The next two pages are about him explaining how the Inbetweener messed up the cosmic balance. The only mention of Lord Order and Master Chaos is in a narration box saying his spells are backed by their power.
Originally posted by zopzop
The others were fighting it for a while then it just shows Galactus agaisnt it solo. Surfer mentions if Galactus falls, that's it.
So it was never mentioned. Gotcha.
That Strange was stalemating the Living Tribunal and doing other crap that should be beyond his paygrade so what's your point?
He never stalemated LT and need a few power boost just to fight SG. He didn't get any boost against IB. SG>IB
Arioch is a demon with ZERO, ZILTCH, NADA on panel feats or victories. Nightmare has been put in a full nelson by Strange.
That's funny because you wanted demons and I gave you same names. Their demon lords and both were beneath SG. Strange put a full nelson on SG? No wait, he ran from SG in their first encounter and needed several power boost in their third. Their second was him begging a more power Sorcerror to fight for him.
What disciple of Set are you referring to and what issue did this take place? [/B]
Kulan Gath and his mate.
Originally posted by Utrigita
You would find that it's a Galaxy he swept clean but that's beside the point since your exaggerating. We have no real idea on how different a Galactus on a fed level operate in comparison to a hungry Galactus, as you are perfectly well aware of (even though a Doom with the power of Galactus was capable of battling Pre Retcon Beyonder for a extended amount of time, so we have some idea on that powerlevel, but then again Reed said that Taa II was possibly the greatest energy source in the universe). The reason people in generel, as I see, choose a Fed Galactus is because then the argument that Galactus will depleet himself of energy relatively quickly in a fight is obsolete. That and the general idea that Galactus powerlevel rises as the feeds, as shown in the Pre Retcon Beyonder case.
Doom with G was already retconned and even then Doom got handled easily. Dude, what's well fed Galactus? How I take it is Galactus is at his normal levels. Then there's Galactus after eating and a Galactus that's hungry. I guess what you're getting at is that normal Galactus = fed and weakened Galactus = has not fed. It's differences on how everybody believes Galactus' normal state is.
To me, him not having eaten doesn't mean he's weak. That's him at his normal levels. If he's in the pains of hunger and eats to satisfy it I would assume Galactus would be at his normal levels. Everybody likes to conclude that the guy not eaten means he's some how weak.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Doom with G was already retconned and even then Doom got handled easily. Dude, what's well fed Galactus? How I take it is Galactus is at his normal levels. Then there's Galactus after eating and a Galactus that's hungry. I guess what you're getting at is that normal Galactus = fed and weakened Galactus = has not fed. It's differences on how everybody believes Galactus' normal state is.To me, him not having eaten doesn't mean he's weak. That's him at his normal levels. If he's in the pains of hunger and eats to satisfy it I would assume Galactus would be at his normal levels. Everybody likes to conclude that the guy not eaten means he's some how weak.
In what way? That Doom, according to what is shown in Spiderman Amazing, overpowered Beyonder. Or retconned into Doom not having the full force of Galactus power as it was mentioned in the handbook, from 97 I believe it was? Your jumping to conclusions, since that wasn't what I addressed in the first place.
You were asking what a planet devoured level was and when it have been seen and what it have been doing featwise etc. I answered that I, frankly, had no idea but based on the Beyonder incident it's plausible to assume that Galactus powerlevel rises as he feeds. Did I suggest in my post that I believe your above statement to be fact? No, I said that a fed Galactus is primarily used as I see it because then the argument that he is quickly depleted becomes invalid coupled with the general idea that Galactus, who has performed the majority of his feats while hungry, must be capable of doing even better when feed, because he can afford to expend more energy.
Nothing about any Fed Galactus = Normal, hungry Galactus = weak.
It was said,when Strange left earth with Galactus.by the Surfer and I think Nova.That they should leave right away,as big G hasn`t had a meal in a while.And the earth might start looking like a pretty good snack.Thats when Surfer hurrie`s things along ,and says Galactus we must find this threat,or the whole universe will be in danger.(during the beginning of IG2).