Grievous doesn't have petty emotions like Vader.
He doesn't? We've never seen GG react to a family member before... Remember, Vader acts more hardass than GG when Luke isnt around.
And anyway, Vader didn't "love Luke enough to die for him ". Obviously, since he was FIGHTING HIM he didn't love him that much.
He was conflicted indeed, but he could have beaten Luke rather easily. Vader is 80% as powerful as ROTJ Sidious (who would be a step up from ROTS Sidious). I doubt boy with minimal training > 80% of Sidious.
Originally posted by Faunus
For once, I agree. You have Vader depicted very well in RoDV, struggling with his new identity and handicap, and in Purge - taking place at the same time, give or take a couple of weeks - he's wrecking Jedi Masters. With a few months or years, yeah, but Purge was queer. . .
Purge DID take place AFTER RODV, so it's not that bad. He was just getting used to the suit in RODV. By Purge, I guess he was warmed up. I mean, he was confident enough to take on a whole bunch of Jedi Masters alone.btw, Appo was not in Purge.
I heard that Appo was in Purge. Which means Purge took place before RODV as Appo died in Purge. Can someone (Faunus maybe) confirm that Appo wasn't in Purge? And either way, at the end of RODV, Vader had quite a bit of trouble with Roan Shryne, who can't be any better than Tsui Choi.
There was a "Commander" in the comic, but I dont remember them specifying whether it was Appo or not.
swcomics.com has the whole thing.
Just "commander"
Vader is 80 % of the Emperor in FORCE POWER. In actual lightsaber comabt, he is slow and clunky, and would be destroyed by Grievous.
Lucas never specified Force Powers. Stop making up facts.
Slow and clunky? He's a bit less agile, but Grievous is barely impressive in saber combat. It took Obi-Wan less than 30 seconds to cut one arm off, and a grand total of 4 minutes to pwn his ass with a force push. And unless you're going to argue Obi-Wan ROTS is 80% of Sidious in (let's do it your way) "force powers only", Grievous gets pwned.
This isn't even ROTS Sidious either. OT Sidious had 24 years to study the force and devote a large portion of his life to the Dark Side.
Vader wins, he would lay a beat down on Greivous in a lightsaber match, especially if he was using the force. By the time of Purge, Vader was confident enough to take on Kenobi, and then went on to kill a few Jedi, one of which used a cortosis blade against him. He only lost the upper hand because three Jedi were throwing crap at him.
By the OT Vader has perfected his style, isn't particularly slow, and would rip Greivous' metal arms out of their sockets.
Originally posted by Revolver Ocelot
[b]Vader is 80 % of the Emperor in FORCE POWER. In actual lightsaber comabt, he is slow and clunky, and would be destroyed by Grievous.Lucas never specified Force Powers. Stop making up facts.
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Originally posted by Revolver Ocelot
Slow and clunky? He's a bit less agile, but Grievous is barely impressive in saber combat. It took Obi-Wan less than 30 seconds to cut one arm off
No.... Grievous was not "damaged". Just hours before ROTS as in Labyrinth of Evil he was still perfectly capable of kicking ass. But when the situation is that Grievous doesn't have the element of shock and surprise, his exotic nature tends to wear thin. Notice Mace almost beat the living shit out of him in Labyrinth of Evil even despite a shock and surprise assault.
But if a force choke to his organ sack somehow effects his nonorganic body's performance in a battle, that's news to me.
Originally posted by Janus Marius
No.... Grievous was not "damaged". Just hours before ROTS as in Labyrinth of Evil he was still perfectly capable of kicking ass. But when the situation is that Grievous doesn't have the element of shock and surprise, his exotic nature tends to wear thin. Notice Mace almost beat the living shit out of him in Labyrinth of Evil even despite a shock and surprise assault.But if a force choke to his organ sack somehow effects his nonorganic body's performance in a battle, that's news to me.
Grievous is certainly exemplary under any circumstances - Count Dooku noted him as being particularly difficult to out-spar - but yes, he excels under the said conditions, when surprise and terror are on his side. I think I remember the thread where I first posted my original statement on this matter.
Originally posted by Darth Vious
Yes, Grievous was damaged. I've not read Labyrinth of Evil, but, in the final episode of the Clone Wars, Mace used a Force Choke against Grievous, and that is why he developed his cough. (This is also confirmed by the director in the special features). In RotS, Grievous was coughing almost constantly as a result of that attack, and his combat skills were suitably diminished as a result. In the episode of Clone Wars where is is fighting five Jedi, he is able to do so without having to split his arms and use all his sabers. He only does that in the final episode of Clone Wars because his primary hands where occupied, and it gave him a surprize advantage. In RotS however, he had to split his arms and use all his sabers just to face off against a single Jedi, so it is clear that the damage done by the Force Choke (resulting in the cough) had also affected his fighting skills in some way.
That would be contradicted by LoE, in which. . . a hell of a lot of things happen way differently.