spetznaz
Senior Fanboy Killer
Originally posted by UniOmni
I still don't see how its planet moving strength when he does it while flying. Unless he has a physical base to push off, i still can't deduce where PHYSICAL strength comes in. All it is imo, is a testament to the power behind his flight. No more no less.
Then how is he moving it exactly?
Some say it is because he can fly (although I wonder why other fliers, like Rogue, can't even lift a Cruise ship let alone shift orbits)
But the most popular term is the following ....'thrust.'
Well, what exactly is thrust?
It is a directed force .....or to quote from a dictionary: 'To push or drive with force; to drive, force, or impel; to shove; as, to thrust anything with the hand or foot, or with an instrument.'
Alright, let me play semantics here. I guess then it could be said that Superman has planet moving 'thrust.'
He has enough 'thrust' to even move War World on his own.
He has enough 'thrust' to help move the moon.
Anyways, let's use that term ....'thrust.'
So you want to tell me it has nothing to do with strength? His ability to do his higher level feats is all thrust and no strength.
Well, then how come his arms and upper torso do not simple buckle when he exerts his, 'thrust,' against (say) War World?
Or for that matter, let's say Rogue was given Superman's 'thrust' but keeps her strength levels. So she would be able to move WarWorld?
Or take the time he was helping PULL the moon.
If it was all 'thrust,' then how come he did not rip his arms off?
Or for that matter take when Superboy Prime punched out of the Phantom Zone. Was that strength? Well, someone could say it was not strength but 'prodigious force applied at a point to great effect.'
What about the Hulk throwing a gem so hard that it went to the center of the earth? A person could say that that was not strength, but more like a rapid acceleration of an object, giving sufficient kinetic impulse to an object with a small surface area, and thus allowing it to optimize its penetrative ability.'
Moreover, all semantics aside, the point still remains that anyone who has enough strength/thrust/mojo/juice/jellybeans (whatever you want to call it) to shift orbits at will is a character with prodigious levels of ability (I will not call it strength to make everyone happy).
That is the important point: that whatever you call it Superman still has the ability to shift orbits.
Something other characters that can fly and have 'thrust' (eg Rogue, Sunfire, Cannonball ....who has a lot of 'thrust' etc etc) cannot even come CLOSE to doing.
Actually CannonBall is a good example: He can fly (and has great thrust), plus while he is flying he is invulnerable (and thus has perfect DURABILITY).
Thus if all it takes is 'flight + durability' (as Thunderstrike claims) then CannonBall should be moving planets with ease galore.
He doesn't!
You may call it strength, or thrust, or 'pogo-power,' but Superman still has the ability to do things that are beyond the vast swathe of superheroes (in both Marvel and DC). And that 'thrust' (if you call it that) is beyond many characters that I am sure you would define as strong 'proper' (eg Colossus).
BTW: Here is the definition of strength.
1. The state, property, or quality of being strong.
2. The power to resist attack; impregnability.
3. The power to resist strain or stress; durability.
4. The ability to maintain a moral or intellectual position firmly.
5. Capacity or potential for effective action: a show of strength.
6.
1. A source of power or force.
2. One that is regarded as the embodiment of protective or supportive power; a support or mainstay.
3. An attribute or quality of particular worth or utility; an asset.
7. Degree of intensity, force, effectiveness, or potency in terms of a particular property, as:
1. Degree of concentration, distillation, or saturation; potency.
2. Operative effectiveness or potency.
3. Intensity, as of sound or light.
4. Intensity or vehemence, as of emotion or language.