Write the defeat of Superman! (Marvel style)

I know what it was intended as Validus. Still doesn't make it a pure strength feat in my view. Maybe between Marvel and DC, my suspension of disbelief meter has been tapped out long ago. Still makes it a poorly conceived feat. Just like Hulk punching through energy. No less toddlerish imo.
Kid A:"I can jump over you!"
Kid B: "but i can jump over the world!"
No sense of logic anywhere, and while i know its fictional, i thought the Silver Age was done.
And Spetz, good explanation, but the thing is, since Byrnes whole tk explanation isn't official canon, you still haven't explained how he used a feat of muscular for lack of a better word strength to push a planet. Without a physical force to push off, no muscular strength was used. If i lay down on my stomach, and have a rubber ball just within my palms grip with my arms fully extended, the ball won't move. I could if i had some thrust behind me however, move, and the ball would move as well. I can very well sit up, take the ball and toss it into the next street. But without something to base and push off of, me lying on my stomach does nothing at all. Zip. So thrust comes into play somewhere. Maybe his thrust is better than most. But his best physical thrust when running is at or around the speed of sound. Same as Aquaman and WW. Does this mean they have the same planet moving capacity?? A can of worms is opened.
Strength enough to push a planet without anything to hold said planet together, means pusher goes through the planet. The whole latent TK explanation made perfect sense, showing how he extends his natural tk aura to whatever he holds to keep its form under the pressure exterted. And since his flight was linked to natural latent tk which was netted psionically to his will, he could fly more than he could lift. It was only a matter of will and energy(solar) expended in the process. Thats why i bought him moving WarWorld while sundipped, which means an excess of energy to support the will. And somewhat explained how a guy who can push a planet doesn't destroy them when he punches all out. He just was weaker physically than he was mentally. Made comicbook sense. Since thats not official canon, as i learned, it now makes no sense. Thats why Mr. Majestics planet moving gloves are the most common sense applied items in the last 7 years of comics.

Kang the Conqueror goes back in time, and drops baby Clark Kent into a koi pond.

Then he drinks much time-beer.

The end.

Reed uses a machine to get the one man in DCU that always trumps Supes no matter how unfeasible it is....Batman. and 10 minutes later we hear a SMACK! and we see Supes lying on the ground with a red hand mark on his cheek and he looks like those cartoon characters that are knocked out with batmobiles encircling his head and bats saying " he never could handle the hand."

When asked "doesn't that hurt your hand?"
Batman responds "Are you a goddamn retard!? I'm the goddamn Batman!!"

magneto and mr sinister fuse kryptonite into wolverines adamantium skeleton and yada yada wolverine rules

Read the directions again. For the sake of everyone's sanity, there was one casualty of the first battle: Wolverine became a skeleton.

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Read the directions again. For the sake of everyone's sanity, there was one casualty of the first battle: Wolverine became a skeleton.

Originally posted by Scoobless
They call the Thunderbolts and tell them to kick his ass to death.... the Thunderbolts then proceed to kick his ass to death

The End!

Haha!
Kicking somebody's ass to death is neat.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Reed & Stark create an invention that erases all crappiness from the universe and Supes is wiped from existence. The X-Men mourn the loss of Jubilee and Sentry is suddenly flying around in the underwear & socks he wears underneath his costume.

😆 its funny cos its true

Originally posted by UniOmni
I know what it was intended as Validus. Still doesn't make it a pure strength feat in my view. Maybe between Marvel and DC, my suspension of disbelief meter has been tapped out long ago. Still makes it a poorly conceived feat. Just like Hulk punching through energy. No less toddlerish imo.
Kid A:"I can jump over you!"
Kid B: "but i can jump over the world!"
No sense of logic anywhere, and while i know its fictional, i thought the Silver Age was done.
And Spetz, good explanation, but the thing is, since Byrnes whole tk explanation isn't official canon, you still haven't explained how he used a feat of muscular for lack of a better word strength to push a planet. Without a physical force to push off, no muscular strength was used. If i lay down on my stomach, and have a rubber ball just within my palms grip with my arms fully extended, the ball won't move. I could if i had some thrust behind me however, move, and the ball would move as well. I can very well sit up, take the ball and toss it into the next street. But without something to base and push off of, me lying on my stomach does nothing at all. Zip. So thrust comes into play somewhere. Maybe his thrust is better than most. But his best physical thrust when running is at or around the speed of sound. Same as Aquaman and WW. Does this mean they have the same planet moving capacity?? A can of worms is opened.
Strength enough to push a planet without anything to hold said planet together, means pusher goes through the planet. The whole latent TK explanation made perfect sense, showing how he extends his natural tk aura to whatever he holds to keep its form under the pressure exterted. And since his flight was linked to natural latent tk which was netted psionically to his will, he could fly more than he could lift. It was only a matter of will and energy(solar) expended in the process. Thats why i bought him moving WarWorld while sundipped, which means an excess of energy to support the will. And somewhat explained how a guy who can push a planet doesn't destroy them when he punches all out. He just was weaker physically than he was mentally. Made comicbook sense. Since thats not official canon, as i learned, it now makes no sense. Thats why Mr. Majestics planet moving gloves are the most common sense applied items in the last 7 years of comics.

Superboy's telekenisis is a derivitave of Superman's psionic ability as well.

Other than that, Spetz said everything.. again.

I thought that Birthright changed the nature of his powers, once again??
And while what Spetz said was all good and well, he never or at least i missed the part where he said physical strength is exerted in the pushing of planets.
But if the Byrne explanation still does hold, then he doesn't have planet pushing physical strength. Its mental in its basis form.
He flies using TK right?? So when he flies something heavy, TK is used to do the pushing and holding together as well as thrust. Its like he mimics planet pushing physical strength. It appears to be muscular, sense he has to make contact to involve his latent tk.
I doubt anybody would say Jean Grey is physically stronger than Hulk......But she doesn't have to be, since her powers allow her to mimic his muscular strength.
Same thing with Superman. His muscular strength doesn't match his mental strength. And thats cool, since it adds a cerebral edge to his otherwise brute persona. Not to say he still isn't insanely strong in the physical arena. I just wouldn't say its planet moving.

They call the Champion of the Universe, he comes to earth and proceeds to kick the sH** out of superman, the end.

Originally posted by UniOmni
I thought that Birthright changed the nature of his powers, once again??
And while what Spetz said was all good and well, he never or at least i missed the part where he said physical strength is exerted in the pushing of planets.
But if the Byrne explanation still does hold, then he doesn't have planet pushing physical strength. Its mental in its basis form.
He flies using TK right?? So when he flies something heavy, TK is used to do the pushing and holding together as well as thrust. Its like he mimics planet pushing physical strength. It appears to be muscular, sense he has to make contact to involve his latent tk.
I doubt anybody would say Jean Grey is physically stronger than Hulk......But she doesn't have to be, since her powers allow her to mimic his muscular strength.
Same thing with Superman. His muscular strength doesn't match his mental strength. And thats cool, since it adds a cerebral edge to his otherwise brute persona. Not to say he still isn't insanely strong in the physical arena. I just wouldn't say its planet moving.

That would also explain the mental disciplines he knows as well, because it would be difficult to apply them without some sort of mental enhancement. It may only apply to a force around his body though.

Anyway, let't get back to this. Basically, we're not going with anything off the planet. Basically, it's The New Avengers and F4. Nobody off the planet, no Doctor Strange.

Originally posted by Scoobless
This is how i envision it happening.............

(FYI - Melissa Gold is Songbird... leader of the Thunderbolts)

Tony dials the phone

*ring ring*

[b]Melissa Gold - hello?
Tony Stark - Hi Mel, it's Tony..... Stark
Melissa Gold - oh right.... the iron guy from the Avengers!
Tony Stark - yeah.... though technically it's Iron MAN!
Melissa Gold - uh huh, ok.... so whadaya want?
Tony Stark - well.... um..... i need a favour
Melissa Gold - yeah?... what's up?
Tony Stark - well...... we have this.....small..... problem
Melissa Gold - who's got a problem?.... the Avengers?
Tony Stark - yeah ...... though these days it's the NEW Avengers
Melissa Gold - yeah, we're in on that whole NEW craze too.... what the hell were we thinking?
Tony Stark - i feel the same way.... but back to the matter at hand
Melissa Gold - hey!.... remember when we kicked your asses down at the beach?

*muffled laughter*

Tony Stark - oh please.... you totally blind-sided us.... AND you had prep!... had it been a straight up fight we would have kicked your butts all over the place!
Melissa Gold - uh huh.... say.... what's it feel like to have Atlas stomp on you?

*more muffled laughter*

Tony Stark - look, the Avengers... New or otherwise .... could kick your jailbird b!tch asses any-day of the week.... just give us a time and date and we'll be there.... you guys are such a bunch of overrated pansies! I'm surprised the Rhino hasn't killed you all yet!
Melissa Gold - you're all talk Stark.... what the hell did you you call us for anyway? what's this favour you need so badly that you're asking for help from the team who just b!tchslapped you?
Tony Stark *sigh* - look....there's this guy.... he just took us apart and we were wondering if you'd like to take a crack at him....not that we can't handle it ourselves.... but we.... ah... we have a bowling alley rented for the day and if we don't show up ..... well.....um.... we'll lose our deposit!
Melissa Gold - wait, wait, wait...ONE single guy took your whole team down?

*full blown non-muffled hysterical laughter*

Tony Stark - ok, yes... you happy now?
Melissa Gold - heh heh.... ok.... what's this guy look like?
Tony Stark - well... you may remember him from that whole alternate earth crossover thing with Kronos.... he wears a blue body-stocking with red underwear over it, red boots and a red cape... got a big dumb "S" on his chest too
Melissa Gold - sounds familiar... I'll ask the guys if they remember him... hold on a sec

T-Bolts HQ

Melissa Gold - any of you remember a guy from that interdimensional crossover thing a few years back, blue tights, red cape red boots.... big "S" on his chest?
Radioactive Man - yeah .... i know him... in fact i pretty much killed the guy.... well... until that robot Avenger guy showed up and saved him
Melissa Gold - The Vision?
Radioactive Man - yeah....this is what happened.... this bald guy from that over earth showed up, took me and Solar aside and explained to us that certain radioactive frequencies and certain solar radiation severely weaken the guy.... apparently he's pretty much invulnerable normally.... but when me and Solar hit him with those frequencies he dropped faster than a catholic schoolgirls panties on graduation night
Melissa Gold - thanks for that metaphor
Radioactive Man - sorry Mel... i keep forgetting I'm a "good guy" now
Melissa Gold - never mind... you think you could take him down again?
Radioactive Man - no problem.... especially with Genis there to back me up
Melissa Gold - Genis?.... you in?
Genis - sure, whatever, shut up!.... Oprah's on
Melissa Gold - I'll take that as a yes
Radioactive Man - so when we doing this?
Melissa Gold - i just need to confirm the details with Iron Guy
Radioactive Man - ok... hey.... tell him Atlas says "hi"

Avengers Tower

Tony Stark - bloody woman... what the hell is taking her so long
Melissa Gold - actually i got back ten seconds ago
Tony Stark - ah...heh....hey Mel... i knew you were there... just kidding ....heh....
Melissa Gold - whatever.... look, we're in
Tony Stark - thank God.... um..... i mean.... cool.... because of the restaurant booking i mean...
Melissa Gold - don't you mean bowling?
Tony Stark - yeah... that's what i said
Melissa Gold - you said restaurant!
Tony Stark - no i didn't..... WHAT'S THAT STEVE?.... uh... sorry Mel... gotta go, Kang's attacking again.... or something
Melissa Gold - yeah, yeah... look.... how do we find this guy?
Tony Stark - oh... he'll show up sooner or later... if not just use a dog whistle
Melissa Gold - ok.... good luck fighting ol' Doc Doom
Tony Stark - yeah.... never can be too careful with old scarface
Melissa Gold - HA.... you said Kang before ..... now it's Doom?.... you haven't got anything on at all .... you're just scared!
Tony Stark - sqqqqwuaaaak crackle... you're zzzhhhhh breaking.. sqwuak... up
Melissa Gold - that's just pathetic!
Tony Stark - crackle... sqwuak.... no it's not..... squiblysqwuak
Melissa Gold - loser!
Tony Stark - zsshhhhh..... bye....scribblezwak

*line goes dead*

Melissa Gold - weaselly little tin plated bastard!
Radioactive Man - what's that mel?
Melissa Gold - never mind... it's just Stark being Stark
Radioactive Man - ah... gotcha
Genis - if you two don't shut the hell up right now and let me listen to Oprah I'm gonna destroy the freakin planet!
Melissa Gold - uh... Sorry big G.... we'll keep it down
Radioactive Man - yeah.... sorry G-dawg

2 hours later (after the Oprah double bill) the NEW Thunderbolts kill Superman! [/B]

Originally posted by UniOmni

And while what Spetz said was all good and well, he never or at least i missed the part where he said physical strength is exerted in the pushing of planets.

Actually I believe that physical strength is indeed exerted in the 'pushing of planets.'
Whatever one may decide to call it is purely semantics (i.e that is why I even said it could be called 'pogopower' or jellybeans), but saying that it is 'flight + durability' is simply wrong.
After all if that was all that was needed then Cannonball should be shifting orbits (yet he cannot even lift a cruise ship).

And anyways, whatever people may decide to call it, if Superman can use his 'pogopower' to stop an orbit, then he can definitely use the same darn thing to hit (say) Colossus so hard that a millennium ends before Colossus stops moving at sub-light speed through space!

I call it strength, but whatever people may call it the end result is still astounding ability to do stuff.
Anything else is worthless semantics.

shouldn't this be in the comic book forum?

batman gets his anti-superman belt and kicks supes butt.

^ wrong universe genius

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