Originally posted by Wodenson
Asking how strong an unamped Odin is is like asking how hot cold fire is. Anyone who provides an answer looks stupid. No offense to the person above.
anyone with your reading comprehension skills shouldn't be passing judgements regarding stupidity. I wasn't asking how strong an unamped odin is or providing an answer.
the strength disparity between a baseline strength odin & hercules (at full strength) is not enough to make up for hercules massively superior wrestling skills.
odin's pace palming of thor in fear itself #1 does not impress me. odin could have easily been internally amping his baseline strength. thor struck odin down with his hammer a few panels later & odin had to shut thor's OF off. it wasn't even a super uber blow by thor standards. hercules is capable of strength feats & power punching far greater than that.
Originally posted by wildernesss
anyone with your reading comprehension skills shouldn't be passing judgements regarding stupidity. I wasn't asking how strong an unamped odin is [B]or providing an answer.the strength disparity between a baseline strength odin & hercules (at full strength) is not enough to make up for hercules massively superior wrestling skills.[/b]
Good job contradicting yourself between paragraphs.
odin's pace palming of thor in fear itself #1 does not impress me. odin could have easily been internally amping his baseline strength.
With that said, how are you determining Odin's baseline strength? It seems as though any feat Odin performs will be chalked up to strength-amping, even when there's no indication that he does so.
So again, how hot is cold fire?
Originally posted by Wodenson
Good job contradicting yourself between paragraphs.With that said, how are you determining Odin's baseline strength? It seems as though any feat Odin performs will be chalked up to strength-amping, even when there's no indication that he does so.
So again, how hot is cold fire?
thumbsup That is my point UNLESS it shows Odin to be amping glowing or it is flat out stated by a narrator. He is NOT amping. Odin Getting hit in the face wiht Mjolnir while he is not ready for it is not a low showing . considering 1 Mjolnir has Odin's own power in it and Thor has a record of hurting very powerful things hell he knocked a celestral on his rear. Look at Hulk he cheap shotted Zeus throw a wall before Zeus pawned him and guss what odin destoryed Thor after the mjolnir shot.
Hercules should win as wrestling is more about skill than overt and brute strength.
Still, this "amped/unamped" debate about Odin's physical strength is still utter bullshit. Handbooks don't mean shit if the vast majority of comics contradict the entries as the actual comics are the source material for the handbooks themselves.
Jake, if you're saying Hercules is more skilled, then I'd agree. If you think Hercules wins in a close combat battle then I have to strongly disagree. Skill cannot overcome an advantage so large.
For the record, unlike most high end entities, Odin has demonstrated combat skills and is a very accomplished warrior. A particular instance that stands out is Odin -in mortal form- destroying dozens of warriors and training Thor.
Originally posted by wildernesss
the strength disparity between a baseline strength odin & hercules (at full strength) is not enough to make up for hercules massively superior wrestling skills.odin's pace palming of thor in fear itself #1 does not impress me. odin could have easily been internally amping his baseline strength.
How strong is a non amping Odin?
Originally posted by wildernesss
thor struck odin down with his hammer a few panels later & odin had to shut thor's OF off. it wasn't even a super uber blow by thor standards. hercules is capable of strength feats & power punching far greater than that.
What the hell? A Mjolnir charged blow can be far and away more powerful than anything Hercules could hope to match.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Jake, if you're saying Hercules is more skilled, then I'd agree. If you think Hercules wins in a close combat battle then I have to strongly disagree. Skill cannot overcome an advantage so large
If it's a straight up close combat fight, with punches, kicks, etc, involved, then no, I don't think Herc is going to win. A technical wrestling match with rules and the like, and I do think Herc will prevail ultimately.
But yeah, we can at least agree with the Odin amping strength nonsense. To hell with this "internal amping" bullshit that people can't even prove.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
If it's a straight up close combat fight, with punches, kicks, etc, involved, then no, I don't think Herc is going to win. A technical wrestling match with rules and the like, and I do think Herc will prevail ultimately.
Do you believe a powerless Hercules could beat Hulk in a wrestling match?
Imo at least, skill only takes you so far. If Hercules is incapable of moving Odin if he doesn't want to or performing any kind of task that requires some contest of strength, I don't see how he could win.
Odin could for example simply pin him and force him to tap if he's aware of the rules.
Hercules' best bet is to have Odin disqualified or something of the sort while using delaying tactics.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
But yeah, we can at least agree with the Odin amping strength nonsense. To hell with this "internal amping" bullshit that people can't even prove.
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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Do you believe a powerless Hercules could beat Hulk in a wrestling match?Skill only takes you so far. If Hercules is incapable of moving Odin if he doesn't want to or performing any kind of task that requires some contest of strength, I don't see how he could win.
Odin could for example simply pin him and force him to tap if he's aware of the rules.
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I feel that the gap between Odin and Heralds (or at least High Herald strength) while large, isn't as large as the gap between a powerless Hercules and the Hulk.