Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Do you believe a powerless Hercules could beat Hulk in a wrestling match?Imo at least, skill only takes you so far. If Hercules is incapable of moving Odin if he doesn't want to or performing any kind of task that requires some contest of strength, I don't see how he could win.
Odin could for example simply pin him and force him to tap if he's aware of the rules.
Hercules' best bet is to have Odin disqualified or something of the sort while using delaying tactics.
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cap does very well against hulk although the strength difference is enormous
Originally posted by MindsetLOL i know plenty anddid more then enough in high school. How would you take down the big show at 7'4 he has the reach advantage you can't shoot in on his legs to big to move plus if he sprawls on top of you you are not going to hold his weight up. If by some mircale he gets behing him he is not picking himup to drop him too the ground there is no way in hell. Like usual your just talking nonsense.
Then you don't know who Karelin is, or how wrestling works.
Originally posted by Wodenson
Good job contradicting yourself between paragraphs.With that said, how are you determining Odin's baseline strength? It seems as though any feat Odin performs will be chalked up to strength-amping, even when there's no indication that he does so.
So again, how hot is cold fire?
what contradiction? i don't claim to know odin's definitive unamped level of strength. some people seem to disregard the handbook odin stats, so a lot of guess work is being done here. imo, even if a baseline strength odin is stronger than hercules, the strength disparity between them is not enough to negate hercules wrestling skills.
the better question would be how are you determining his baseline strength? the handbook odin stats? thor smacking him down to the ground (while likely holding back) in fear itself #1. his OF amped, yet underwhelming performance against thanos who he had to fight like hell against?
If you want to use your fire analogy as a metaphor for odin's power let's try something less snotty and obnoxious. if the OF is like a fire then the blue flame (the hottest part) might represent amping. the rest of the flame is garden variety odin. a "cold fire" would be the portions of a fire which are less hot than the blue flame.
Originally posted by Mindseto mindset you can't hold a candle to me in this one. SO please enlighten me what great skill will work on taking him down.
I wouldn't be taking down big show Karelin would.Getting in your underwear and rolling around on the ground with your friends isn't wrestling.
But as usual Thor is inside you. I didn't know he could control your body from that end though. 😄
Originally posted by wildernesss
determining his baseline strength? the handbook odin stats? thor smacking him down to the ground (while likely holding back) in fear itself #1. his OF amped, yet underwhelming performance against thanos who he had to fight like hell against?
Base Odin has a huge jump on heralds.
Is it fair to say the both Herc. and Thor are more or less equal in terms of strength??
I would say yes.
Know lets take this in account to compare Thor strength to Odin.
During blood and thunder arc Thor was operating clearly at 100% not holding back. Now on top of that he had the power gem hich further ampped his stats.
Now Thanos incase a raging amped Thor in in the force block.
It is safe to say that Thor at this point was a far amount stronger then Herc. do to ampping also the amping Thor was still gaining strength while in the forceblock.
Now Odin at the start of Thanos/Odin battle was incase in the same forcefield.
Keep in mind this whole time from when Thor was trapped and brought asgard Thor was still in the block the whole time b/c he couldn't break yet as he wasn't ampped yet.
odin on the other hand showed no signs of amping yet and broke right out of the same thing amped Thor couldn't break out of. This is a direct compasion on strength. Whcih shows Odin unamped is way above a amped herald in terms of strength.
As for handbooks just throw them out they are as useful as wikipedia for information
Originally posted by wildernesss
what contradiction? i don't claim to know odin's definitive unamped level of strength.
Yet you know that the difference isn't enough for Odin to win in a wrestling match with Hercules. There's your contradiction.
the better question would be how are [B]you determining his baseline strength?[/b]
By reading the comics, and by knowing that Odin doesn't amp his strength unless there's a clear indication of him doing so (e.g. size augmentation).
thor smacking him down to the ground (while likely holding back) in fear itself #1.
Odin backhanded Thor to the ground (with blood dripping from his mouth), and Thor came back at him with a charged, two-handed Mjolnir swing to the face. The difference in effort was clear.
yet underwhelming performance against thanos who he had to fight like hell against?
If by underwhelming performance, you mean that Odin no-sold all of Thanos' attacks (even in conjunction with the Silver Surfer), then I agree. Thanos was tapping into his technology to survive, and Odin wasn't going all-out.
Originally posted by Wodenson
Yet you [B]know that the difference isn't enough for Odin to win in a wrestling match with Hercules. There's your contradiction. [/B]
fail. there's no contradiction here because nobody knows for sure. no me. not you. it's mere opinion & speculation based on perceptions of high & low end feats. knowing is reserved for the day when hercules wrestles odin under these conditions in a actual comic.
you can analyze that thor strike of odin all you want. it knocked odin to the ground & was garden variety in terms of thor strikes. Ya, Thanos used Technology & Odin used magic/OF. And, so what? thanos made odin sweat and squirm.
And let's not forget the most Suck & Fail showing Odin has most likely ever shown....being defeated by an army of ants from outer space.